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Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand?

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31 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:16 pm

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ummmm it's not a long shot! he's locked in 7.5m with his bonus win

32 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:33 pm

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untouchables wrote:My picks at this stage for the women's 120m

Amie Mittiga

Gabriella Boulton

Laura Downie

Ebony Lane

Adelaide Robertson

Hanna Lindstrom

Sienna Fighera

Olivia Russo

Stephanie Richards

Holly Dobbyn

Laura Jane Hilditch

Tara Domaschenz

Sophia Fighera

Kate Jones

Anna Pasquali

Lauren Keating



You will have to start whittling them down a bit Untouchables, you can’t back 16 of them and expect to make a quid. By the way you missed a couple mate

33 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:53 pm

YETI

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WhataboutmeMrHandicapper wrote:Why are there different handicaps for different Stawell Gift results? One year an athlete runs 3rd, he gets pulled 1.5, another guy runs 3rd and he hardly gets pulled at all. Matthews ran 3rd off 6.75 only 2 Stawells back and by Marbyrnong he had his mark back.
Houlihan, runs every second week in Victoria, beat Matthews hardly runs in Vic and made 3 Stawell finals, by 1 metre in 2015. Now meets him 2.75 worse off? I just don't get it.
If you are thinking it's wide open you are delusional. Very few chances to win.
Plenty for 4th, 5th 6th.
Matthews has a PB of 10.69 to go with it. Matthews off 7.5 will finish in the top two at Stawell. Probably with Rizzo.
The only other contender is whoever from the Vikings. Delahunty, Gilfillan someone like that.

If you consider the two queensland athlete's above. Gilfillan and Delahunt are two athlete's that will be competitive come Stawell. Gilfillan more of a chance to make final and potentially take the win.
Going off last year he was very impressive. If he can improve on his performance. We might just have a favourite for stawell.

34 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:04 pm

YETI

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untouchables wrote:My picks at this stage for the women's 120m

Amie Mittiga

Gabriella Boulton

Laura Downie

Ebony Lane

Adelaide Robertson

Hanna Lindstrom

Sienna Fighera

Olivia Russo

Stephanie Richards

Holly Dobbyn

Laura Jane Hilditch

Tara Domaschenz

Sophia Fighera

Kate Jones

Anna Pasquali

Lauren Keating


Women's final: Not many athlete's showing their cards.

Domaschenz
Loizou
Perry
S.Fighera
Austin
Richards

35 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:23 am

untouchables

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Hubbaup wrote:
untouchables wrote:My picks at this stage for the women's 120m

Amie Mittiga

Gabriella Boulton

Laura Downie

Ebony Lane

Adelaide Robertson

Hanna Lindstrom

Sienna Fighera

Olivia Russo

Stephanie Richards

Holly Dobbyn

Laura Jane Hilditch

Tara Domaschenz

Sophia Fighera

Kate Jones

Anna Pasquali

Lauren Keating



You will have to start whittling them down a bit Untouchables, you can’t back 16 of them and expect to make a quid. By the way you missed a couple mate

i think i know which one but this time i will bet to win a few gorillas i need the cash to pay for the hotel lol!

36 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:02 am

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auspro wrote:For Mathews to get 7.5m is a long shot given he hits his ceiling at 10.86 (or 10.76 with 0.1 for rubber)
Correct auspro.

The VAL will again guarantee winners of the selected 100/120m races in Victoria an automatic lift for the 2018 Stawell Gift.
 

  • The athlete must not break net time in the win.
  • A second win over the 100/120m distance will deem the athlete ineligible for the lift.
  • The lift will be added to the athletes winning handicap.
  • In receiving this lift, athletes will not be handicapped to a mark that places them beyond their ceiling handicap. More information on ceiling times can be found within the Handiap Regulations.
  • Athletes that are allocated a UP (Unacceptable Performance) during the season may not automatically qualify for the lift in the Stawell Gift. This will be at the stewards discretion.

37 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:52 pm

Mex

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Ribera wrote:
auspro wrote:For Mathews to get 7.5m is a long shot given he hits his ceiling at 10.86 (or 10.76 with 0.1 for rubber)
Correct auspro.

The VAL will again guarantee winners of the selected 100/120m races in Victoria an automatic lift for the 2018 Stawell Gift.
 

  • The athlete must not break net time in the win.
  • A second win over the 100/120m distance will deem the athlete ineligible for the lift.
  • The lift will be added to the athletes winning handicap.
  • In receiving this lift, athletes will not be handicapped to a mark that places them beyond their ceiling handicap. More information on ceiling times can be found within the Handiap Regulations.
  • Athletes that are allocated a UP (Unacceptable Performance) during the season may not automatically qualify for the lift in the Stawell Gift. This will be at the stewards discretion.


It is quite possible he will actually be pulled for Stawell. 6m or 5.75m is his mark if they include his PB with no adjustment. So he will probably stay on 7.5m Rolling Eyes

38 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:58 pm

auspro


Well no. With 10.72pb. Ceiling is 7.25?

39 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:37 pm

Mex

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YETI wrote:
WhataboutmeMrHandicapper wrote:
Matthews has a PB of 10.69 to go with it. Matthews off 7.5 will finish in the top two at Stawell. Probably with Rizzo.
The only other contender is whoever from the Vikings. Delahunty, Gilfillan someone like that.
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The IAAF website still has him at 11 flat. Matty B Dept page has him at 10.72. Or is it 10.69 as above?

A PB at 10.72 with a target time of 12.25sec his distance travelled is 114.272 (12.25/0.1072=114.272). 120m less the distance travelled is the handicap is 5.728m in our terms that would be 5.75m.
Maybe my Maths is out or I am too old to work out such things. Doesn't the VAL use a computer to get the numbers right? Does the Handicap Review Panel check this as well for human error?
I cannot find anything in the handicap guidelines that mentions an allowance for a PB on a track as opposed to grass. If someone could quote it for me I am happy to adjust my sums.

40 Re: Stawell Gift Final - where do we stand? on Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:50 pm

ToM

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Mex, from the VAL Handicapping Regulations, page 10:

“Adjustment for Artificial Tracks
The following additions are made to times recorded on artificial tracks for the calculation of RPMs. This is done in order to equate times on artificial tracks to that of a good grass track.
• 70 & 100 metres – 0.1
• 200 metres – 0.2
• 300 metres – 0.5
• 400 metres and above – 1.0 per 400.”

http://www.val.org.au/Portals/0/downloads/VAL%20HANDICAP%20REGULATIONS%20%5BCURRENT%5D%202.pdf?ver=2017-11-30-101141-633

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