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St Albans Womens 120m

Who wins the Women's 120m?

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1 St Albans Womens 120m on Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:03 pm

Mex

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We move to a twilight meeting this week and I don't mean that series of movies. St Albans has become a very good and permanent fixture of our calendar. 49 entries for the women's 120m. Who do we like here? Only one vote this week so make it count!

2 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:37 pm

untouchables

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MADDIE COATES

Jessica Payne

Sophia Fighera

Tara Domaschenz

Tierra Exum

Sienna Fighera

Laura-Jane Hilditch

Keely Henderson

Winner

Sophia Fighera

3 Twighlight Meetings on Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:44 am

DDog


I am sure I will get hammered on this one but is there any thought for country athletes when scheduling twilight meets. While it is a Saturday meet there are people who actually work on Sundays. I guarantee that if remote meets scheduled these times their entries would be poor. Interesting to note in masters 300 that runners get two substantial lifts without running. That's hard to toss.

4 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Tue Jan 17, 2017 9:08 pm

Thatsthestats


Coates
Payne
Domaschenz
Exum
Henderson
Stevens
Pasquali
McMahon

Pasquali with lifts totalling 1.25m since the start of the season is now back to her Stawell mark of 2015 so must be a huge show to win this one. Is my tip to win.

Domaschenz after a return to form at Rye will continue that form but fall short and finish second

Coates is all class and should finish third for mine

5 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Wed Jan 18, 2017 8:47 am

ding dong


Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??

6 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:54 am

untouchables

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ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??



The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.

7 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:25 pm

Hubbaup


I think all the juniors come back at the end of the season Untouchables just in case they improve leaps and bounds in the off season. She will get the mark back quickly if she still needs it I would think

8 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:06 pm

cantrun


Don't really know how the lifts work in the women's, but do they normally move the maximum allowed everytime they are granted a lift ? Seems like Anna is in every final already. ... n... certainly not that generous in the open gifts.

9 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:32 am

DDog


untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.

10 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:02 am

Thatsthestats


Ding Dong I was always under the impression that an established athlete was entitled to a lift between 0.25m to .5m after three AP's in the eyes of the Handicapper and Stewards. The fact that Pasquali was lifted 0.5m from Sandringham to Warrnambool after one run means maybe this isn't the case after all. So I'm not 100% sure on that one



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11 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:07 am

Fast


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DDog wrote:
untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.


Stawell happened last year because of the 14m limit and the handicapper being forced to lift the field 1.5m.

The SAAL at the Bay proved that you don’t need a limit of 14m and even 12 is huge for a classic.

I think you can assume that most young runners can improve 2 to 3m with a good training program and natural growth as was the case with Talia Martin.

12 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:13 am

nesp


I think its fair enough that the junior runners come back at the start of every season. They will continue to improve throughout the off season, and I don't think anyone wants to see a big percentage of young runners filling the finals every week. If they cop their pull, train hard and improve and are still competitive, then good luck to them. I know that back in the old system, you had to earn your stripes before you could expect to win anything.

13 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:13 am

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Too much is being made about Talia and her handicap of 13m. It was the equivalent of 11.50m if the field was not lifted. Jess Payne was on 9m and Ebony Lane on 10.25m. We have seen what these 2 athletes have achieved in the first half of this season. Off those handicaps in their current form they would have challenged Talia at Stawell last season. Not to mention Blizzard was off 7.50m after running a p.b. of 11.9 and Exum off 9.75m. If these 2 ran out of their skin like Talia, they may have been the Stawell champion.
“Thatsthestats” Page 13 of the handicap regulations will provide you the guidance you need. Pasquali’s lift after 1 run is within the rules.

14 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:57 am

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Fast wrote:
DDog wrote:
untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.


Stawell happened last year because of the 14m limit and the handicapper being forced to lift the field 1.5m.

The SAAL at the Bay proved that you don’t need a limit of 14m and even 12 is huge for a classic.

I think you can assume that most young runners can improve 2 to 3m with a good training program and natural growth as was the case with Talia Martin.


Yes most people got 1.50m lift for Stawell she only got 1.25m for Stawell making it 9.50m. She already had 8.25m at Bendigo and now she is going to be at 6.75m for future 120m and her mark was 7.00m for 100m and now is 5.75m.

15 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:09 am

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Kangaroota wrote:Too much is being made about Talia and her handicap of 13m. It was the equivalent of 11.50m if the field was not lifted. Jess Payne was on 9m and Ebony Lane on 10.25m. We have seen what these 2 athletes have achieved in the first half of this season. Off those handicaps in their current form they would have challenged Talia at Stawell last season. Not to mention Blizzard was off 7.50m after running a p.b. of 11.9 and Exum off 9.75m. If these 2 ran out of their skin like Talia, they may have been the Stawell champion.  
“Thatsthestats” Page 13 of the handicap regulations will provide you the guidance you need. Pasquali’s lift after 1 run is within the rules.

Correct Kangaroota. Martin had the resilience to run to her best and her race plan others did not and she was wrongly punished for doing so.

The issue this year will not be the juniors (their mark should rightly be capped) it will be the others that choked or didn’t run to their best last year, all they have to do is get themselves reasonably fit and lose a bit of weight and they will run mid 13’s (and that will be without a field lift) and the established backmarkers and backmarkers will not be remotely competitive. And I believe the handicapper does not have the power to realign these athletes, it will be a front markers final again.



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16 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:42 pm

Thatsthestats


Thanks for that Kangaroota I will have a read and try to educate myself a little more on the Handicapping side of things

17 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:27 pm

Hubbaup


Anyhow back to St Albans......I'm thinking McMahon to win this one.

18 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:41 pm

Hubbaup


untouchables wrote:
Fast wrote:
DDog wrote:
untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.


Stawell happened last year because of the 14m limit and the handicapper being forced to lift the field 1.5m.

The SAAL at the Bay proved that you don’t need a limit of 14m and even 12 is huge for a classic.

I think you can assume that most young runners can improve 2 to 3m with a good training program and natural growth as was the case with Talia Martin.


Yes most people got 1.50m lift for Stawell she only got 1.25m for Stawell making it 9.50m.  She already had 8.25m at Bendigo and now she is going to be at 6.75m for future 120m and her mark was 7.00m for 100m and now is 5.75m.

19 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:51 pm

Hubbaup


Hubbaup wrote:
untouchables wrote:
Fast wrote:
DDog wrote:
untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.


Stawell happened last year because of the 14m limit and the handicapper being forced to lift the field 1.5m.

The SAAL at the Bay proved that you don’t need a limit of 14m and even 12 is huge for a classic.

I think you can assume that most young runners can improve 2 to 3m with a good training program and natural growth as was the case with Talia Martin.


Yes most people got 1.50m lift for Stawell she only got 1.25m for Stawell making it 9.50m.  She already had 8.25m at Bendigo and now she is going to be at 6.75m for future 120m and her mark was 7.00m for 100m and now is 5.75m.


I think that's pretty fair if the girl you are talking about is a junior Untouchables. As long as all the interstate juniors are treated the same way it's all good mate

20 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:54 pm

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The Women's races are very interesting this season. Lots of ducking and weaving going on and not all is not getting picked up. There have been a large number of NAP's issued for these races so the stewards are watching.

Jessica Payne 2m 14% - 'Feel The' Payne is now one of the absolute quality female athletes going around. The work that Shane has put in to her has paid dividends with quality wins and finals. What is left for her to achieve? I am not sure just how good this young lady could be. Only Shane knows I guess. Will final and will come home strong but will not win this one. Others are too far in front.

Tara Domaschenz 4.75m 9% - Has moved out nicely and is always a threat to make finals. Under the guidance of a very cagey pro athlete she will be ready when her time is right. She has class in this field as well having won Stonnington in back to back years. Could she be the pea for a fourth Stawell sash in a row? Another big success story well done POD.

Keely Henderson 7.5m 9% - Has made some finals of late and looks like she is in form judging by her 70m finals. Was unlucky not to be in the final at Rye for the 70m, not sure what happened there but she is cherry ripe. another big improver under a cagey coach. Chance here.

Anna Pasquali 10.5m 26% - Lots has been made of Anna's mark this season but people probably forget that she is now 10 years on from winning three Rye carnivals in a row, has had three kids and has to live with Wally! I was surprised to see her running a 400m after making a 120m final at Rye and waited for the stewards report before saying anything. I think that regardless of getting permission to run that this is not acceptable and you should not be able to do it. Having said that, Anna is a big chance here but I would think she is setting her sights on a a home town win. And good luck to her.

Megan McMahon 16.5m 9% - Has made finals this year in the 120m and still has a mark to get another win up. It will be interesting to see if she is followed down the track. There must be others who will charge her down but I am not sure.

Good luck ladies.

21 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:14 pm

Thatsthestats


Maybe they need to pay more attention to the heats and not just the semis and final.

22 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:41 pm

Mex

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Statsman you are correct that there needs to be close attention paid to all heats over all distances. And perhaps it is the athletes and coaches job to stay away from the officials when the races are on so that they can concentrate on the running. There has been a lot of negativity in your posts this week and we are entitled to voice our opinion on here. Some of what you say is correct and frustrating for all athletes regardless of the races they enter. I watch athletes week in week out not putting in 100% effort, in the old days you were more harshly dealt with. But, let's move on shall we and focus on some very good events coming up.

23 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:54 pm

Thatsthestats


I'm happy to move on Mex and let the Stats speak for themselves. Should be a ripper meet at St Albans I'm looking forward to it. May the best runners on the day get the job done over all distances

24 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:54 am

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Hubbaup wrote:
Hubbaup wrote:
untouchables wrote:
Fast wrote:
DDog wrote:
untouchables wrote:
ding dong wrote:Is it even possible to have moved 1.25m after just 7 runs this season ??
Untouchables, all young females [ not sure about males ] went back because the handicapper didn't wan a repeat of last years Stawell fiasco. Stawell happened last year because of an inept handicapper.


The unique sport of pro running, I know of a runner who has lost 1.50m from last season on her 120 mark and did not run at Stawell, won nothing all year no PB at AV and has done nothing wrong I think and read that it does not seem fair does it.


Stawell happened last year because of the 14m limit and the handicapper being forced to lift the field 1.5m.

The SAAL at the Bay proved that you don’t need a limit of 14m and even 12 is huge for a classic.

I think you can assume that most young runners can improve 2 to 3m with a good training program and natural growth as was the case with Talia Martin.


Yes most people got 1.50m lift for Stawell she only got 1.25m for Stawell making it 9.50m.  She already had 8.25m at Bendigo and now she is going to be at 6.75m for future 120m and her mark was 7.00m for 100m and now is 5.75m.


I think that's pretty fair if the girl you are talking about is a junior Untouchables. As long as all the interstate juniors are treated the same way it's all good mate


Thank you Hubbaup for your help I feel much better now.

25 Re: St Albans Womens 120m on Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:50 am

Toolman


By the look of the St Albans stewards report Mex the officials look like they spent a bit of time discussing with POD his level of "Cageyness"

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