PROTRACK

A forum devoted to track events from 60m to the 2 mile. Mainly pro but also news from local, national and international sprint & middle distance competitions.

Log in

I forgot my password



Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

June 2017
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
   1234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
2627282930  

Calendar Calendar


You are not connected. Please login or register

PROTRACK » GENERAL » Stawell Gift POLL

Stawell Gift POLL

Who will win the Stawell Gift

0% 0% [ 0 ]
11% 11% [ 6 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
5% 5% [ 3 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
7% 7% [ 4 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
5% 5% [ 3 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
4% 4% [ 2 ]
4% 4% [ 2 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
12% 12% [ 7 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
4% 4% [ 2 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
7% 7% [ 4 ]
21% 21% [ 12 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
4% 4% [ 2 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
4% 4% [ 3 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
2% 2% [ 1 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
0% 0% [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 57

View previous topic View next topic Go down  Message [Page 1 of 1]

1 Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:42 pm

Admin

avatar
Admin
Admin
Who will win the Stawell Gift?



Last edited by Admin on Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:54 pm; edited 2 times in total

http://protrack.easyforumlive.com

2 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:02 pm

Mex

avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Superseded by the Grand Poobah himself. Lots of athletes with good marks, will the incentive initiative produce a ready made final?

3 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:52 am

The Morphy Mongrel

avatar
ProTrack Star
ProTrack Star
Hale
Sanderson-Milera
Rizzo
Proccacino
Rooke
Ware
Could this be the final?

4 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:58 pm

chopper


1. S Rooke
2. Steinhauser
3 B Matthews
Sanderson-Milera, Marr and Dunbar
make the final
Alternate Riali

5 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:30 pm

Baltimore Jack


Seriously chopper, Marr beats Hale?

Hale's last pro run was 2nd at Burnie off 0.50m beating home Stubbs (10.23 this season).
and then the Haletrain went 10.31sec for 100m last week.
He beats Marr easily.

6 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:04 pm

oldman


ProTrack A Grader
ProTrack A Grader
The tried and some would say tested method - only heard this around over the years - 10.3 off 3- we know Hale is in 10.3 elec shape- question is - is or do we know Marr is in 10.35-10.4 electric shape?

7 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:58 pm

chopper


10.69 in a minus 0.6 at Lakeside
So he is in 10.55-6 shape
He looked the winner after the heats and halfway through his semi at the Bay
If he corrects some failings on the faster track with only one run every 2nd day before the final I see him as a big final chance
Hale is young, going uphill and a jumper sprinter rather than a long sprinter. I dont think he is as good as Capo yet - but he has some impressive leg speed, a great competitor and worth the entry ticket

8 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:36 pm

vicoutsider

avatar
Question, Dobric wins Bendigo off 10.25 and has 10m at Stawell 2 weeks later? Did Bendigo have a.5m Stawell lift incentives as well? Of has this handicap just not been adjusted correctly?

9 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:10 am

JH

avatar
Expert
Expert
It did have but was no use to Dobric because it is a 10 limit and he can't get more!

10 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:08 pm

It's all about Stawell


Dunmall! Wins Stonnington, back to 5.25m for Stawell last year and just misses final. Has a couple of trots this season & goes straight back to 6.75m? Not a bad lift for a teenager. How many runs would a teenaged Victorian need to get their mark back after winning a classic? A mistake perhaps? If not in shape this year, certainty for a classic next year.

11 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:27 pm

youngy

avatar
Admin
Admin
In my opinion Isaac Dunmall's mark last year was far too harsh.

He was barely competitive last year. Remember that he couldn't make the final in 2013 when he had 10.50m and ended up far worse than the Stawell Gift winner. 6.75m is far more competitive. He's still 3.75m worse off than in 2013 and meets the 2013 'quinella' Mitchell Williams* and Andrew Robinson 1.25m worse off.  

Interesting to see how the marks compare to the Asafa Powell year.  Some are far worse off for just making a token appearance in the Gift final such as Tim Eschebach and Ryan Camille (both back 3.0m) while the other finalist entered this year, James Vine is back 1.50m.

A few ran pretty quick in 2013 and appear to be well in this year. eg: Ed Ware 11.94s raw time off 10.25m. Ware has 9.25m this year.

Some who weren't really in the hunt in 2013 are back a fair way eg: Luke Whitney (back 2.50m) Paul Tancredi (back 3.0m) and Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera (back 4.0m).

Not drawing too many conclusions from this, but it is interesting, how things have turned around in just 3 years.

* Mitchell Williams ran off 3.50m in the final after breaking. Effectively this year (1.0m) he is back 3.50m from his 2013 starting mark off 4.50m.



2013 STAWELL GIFT

Semi 1
1 Ryan CAMILLE(fq13) 12.00 11.919 12.064
2 Simon JACKSON 11.75 11.938 12.083
3 Dean SCARFF(fq12) 7.25 12.109 12.254
4 Carl MOREHOUSE 7.50 12.213 12.358
5 Nicholas MACGIBBON 8.75 12.218 12.363
6 Gary FINEGAN(bm6) 5.50 12.288 12.433
7 Luke WHITNEY(bm31) 9.75 12.290 12.435

Semi 2
1 Aaron STUBBS(bm5) 5.25 11.926 12.026
2 Edward WARE(bm34) 10.25 11.943 12.043
3 Nick MAGREE 12.00 12.139 12.239 \
4 Shaun HARGREAVES 9.25 12.196 12.296
5 Josh TIU(fq11) 10.50 12.246 12.346
6 David AFATH(bm14) 7.50 12.254 12.354
7  John NICOLOSI(bm19) 8.25 12.356 12.456

Semi 3
1 Tim ESCHEBACH(fq9) 9.50 12.007 12.097
2 Shane WOODROW(fq4) 12.00 12.054 12.144
3 Ben MISPELHORN 8.00 12.109 12.199
4 Sam JAMIESON(bm9) 6.25 12.126 12.216
5 James LOBLEY(bm23) 9.00 12.187 12.277
6 Paul TANCREDI(bm33) 10.25 12.211 12.301
7 Matt CARTER(bm3) 4.00 12.215 12.305

Semi 4
1 Mitchell WILLIAMS-SWAIN 4.50 11.927 11.947
2 Isaac DUNMALL(fq3) 10.50 12.059 12.079
3 Iain McFARLANE(bm10) 7.25 12.186 12.206
4 John ADAMS 9.25 12.332 12.352
5 Robert SPENCER 10.25 12.354 12.374
6 Paul CRACROFT-WILSON 9.00 12.364 12.384
7 Kevin BRITTAIN(bm18) 8.00 12.381 12.401

Semi 5
1 James VINE(bm17) 8.00 11.976 12.066
2 Tom GAMBLE(bm7) 6.00 12.002 12.092
3 Joshua ROSS(bm2) 1.00 12.199 12.289
4 Augustine CARTY-COWLING 10.00 12.205 12.295
5 Benjamin WEAVER(fq8) 8.75 12.219 12.309
6 Daniel STEINHAUSER 9.00 12.225 12.315
9999 7 Black 5742 Adam COOTE 11.00 Scratched

Semi 6
1 Andrew ROBINSON 7.25m 12.005 12.060
2 Ryan BEDFORD(bm8) 6.00 12.145 12.200
3 Tjimarri SANDERSON-MILERA 9.75 12.150 12.205
4 Matthew HARGREAVES 7.75 12.178 12.233
5 Andrew BOUDRIE(fq7) 8.00 12.205 12.260
6 Dylan PANIZZA(bm22) 9.00 12.327 12.382
9999 1 Red 7469 Asafa POWELL(bm1) 0.00 Scratched

Final
1 Andrew ROBINSON 7.25 11.854 12.014
2 Mitchell WILLIAMS-SWAIN 3.50 11.874 12.034
3 James VINE 8.00 11.927 12.087
4 Ryan CAMILLE 12.00 11.934 12.094
5 Aaron STUBBS 5.25 11.960 12.120
6 Tim ESCHEBACH 9.50 12.036 12.196


_________________
"Let's Go While We're Young"

12 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:46 pm

It's all about Stawell


How do you figure it was harsh Youngy? He was 18, had just won $10,000 at Stonnington and missed the Stawell Gift Final by 0.03. I wouldn't say he was barely competitive on that. I just find it odd that he has been lifted 1.5m on last year. Nothing against the lad, it's not his doing, but he has basically been gifted his Stonnington mark back 12 months later. If you want to do some comparisons, how about looking at any other classic gift winners marks 12 months on, irrespective of their age.

I think it's pretty hard to compare 2013, he would've been about 16 then. Some of the others, such as Tancredi, Whitney, etc., have had wins, so have copped their penalties & Ware got his bonus 1m for winning Northcote/Waverley.

13 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:22 am

youngy

avatar
Admin
Admin
Thanks for the post, It's all about Stawell.

Firstly Isaac Dunmall is 23 in June. So in 2013 he was 19, going on 20. He certainly wasn't 16.

He was allocated 10.50m because of the presence of Asafa Powell. So the mark was relative to the rest of the field, who in the vast majority, received a 2m lift. The following year he was pulled back 2.5m, coming back to 8.0m. So already he is 0.50m worse off than the previous year.  I would say fair enough because he did run pretty quick despite missing the final.

In 2015 he ran last in the Stawell Gift final (off 8.0m). He was then pulled another 1.25m back to 6.75m.

So now, without winning a race, he is 1.75m worse off than he was prior to the 2013 Stawell Gift.

He then won Stonnington off 5.75m (100m), vindicating the handicapper's judgement.

He was allocated 5.25m for the 2015 Stawell Gift.

So effectively he came back 2.75m from the previous year's Stawell Gift.

He was now worse off than the 2013 Stawell Gift winner by 2.00m.

Would you rather:
Have won the 2013 Stawell Gift (in an inflated year) off 7.25m and be on 4.0m (in 2015) OR
Missed the 2013 final off 10.50m, win Stonnington then end up on 5.25m (in 2015)?

All the handicapper has done this year has made a correction from last year's mark which was harsh when compared to other recent Stawell Gift finalists and major Gift winners.

It appears to me the 6.75m represents a 1.25m penalty for winning Stonnington. 12 months on is probably about right.

The 6.75m makes him competitive in this current landscape. 5.25m....and he may as well stay in Queensland.

By the way I have no vested interest in Dunmall. I am just comparing him to the rest of of the 2016 Stawell Gift field.


_________________
"Let's Go While We're Young"

14 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:13 am

It's all about Stawell


Apologies regarding his age. I read it in an old article that must've been incorrect.

There are a lot of discrepancies in other athletes marks when looking back on previous Stawell's. What I am trying to point out is, he won Stonnington last year off 5.75m, won by almost 1m, picked up $10k, now only a year on has 6.75m for a 120, which equates to 5.50m or 5.75m for 100. He is now running with no penalty (or just 0.25m) from Stonnington. Does that seem fair?

I'm not sure how you calculate that 6.75m represents a 1.25m penalty. If that were the case, I'd agree with you. FYI, the VAL calculate the 100 handicaps by calculating 5/6ths of your 120 handicap.

15 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:59 pm

Sprinter101


Will Roberts ran a 10.95 in his heat of the NSW junior states, puts him at around 12.3 off his mark!

16 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:41 am

It's all about Stawell


Ilett just ran 11.07 for 103m on the same track winning the NSWPTL race. He has 7m as well! Had?

17 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:56 pm

oldman


ProTrack A Grader
ProTrack A Grader
10.95 still too tight off 7m - that's about 2.5 metres behind what the Hale storm is gonna dish up

18 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:48 am

Guest

avatar
Guest
It's interesting to see that Dean Dobric hasn't been mentioned at all. If i recall he ran 12.33 at Bendigo, so surely he will be someone that goes close to making a final. Very Happy

19 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:19 am

airtight

avatar
Dobric ran at Bendigo where there was no Rooke, Rizzo, Proccacino, Ware.
All got lifted 0.5 to 1.0 for their Gift wins.
Dobric goes back due to limit.
Can't see Dobric beating them.

20 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:32 am

Guest

avatar
Guest
Yes the is true that there was none of those athlete's running Bendigo.
But Dobric is still someone to watch out for throughout the Stawell Gift weekend.
Thoughts of who might make the final?

21 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:23 pm

Mex

avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Voting has slowed at 57 total, but there are some athletes to talk about. I will have to make some assumptions regarding whom we actually voted for, but that makes up part of the fun. So here goes;

Andrew McCabe 3.00m / Jack Hale 3.25m / Joseph Millar 3.25m (6 votes, 11%) – McCabe has a PB of 10.51 for the 100m and based of this would run somewhere near a competitive time if it were 2012. He has not shown the same form for a little while now and I think his mark here will be too tight especially when you compare the form of Hale. Many have mentioned Hale as a potential finalist and that could be true. I think he will struggle though. He will find that going slightly up hill on grass not as easy to haul in the front markers. He is a talent and he should be nurtured, but a final for him will be the best result. Millar is an interesting one. Side by side, Millar will not beat Hale in a scratch race. He has run 10.3 before, but again the tight mark will prove too difficult for him. Votes here should be for Hale.

Lachlan Parry 8m / Nicholas Realust 8m / Matthew Rizzo 8m (7 votes, 12%) – Parry is grouped with a couple of other athletes who are a chance of the final, so he gets mentioned here. He is not who the votes are for as at best he will run a 12.45sec race. Unlikely for me. Repalust is a very exciting young runner. He showed at Stonnington that his 100m distance is spot on. I have queried his ability to run out a 120m and I will stick with that assessment at the moment. If I were his trainer, Shane, I would pocket him away and try and get him a little more before letting him loose next season. Rizzo looked pretty good over the course of a few runs this season although some could say he was a little laconic. I would have put him away as well this season to be honest as I am not convinced he has what it takes to beat the likes of The Proc and Rooke to name only two. The extra half metre was handy but a final will be the best he can hope for this Easter. Votes could be split for Repalust and Rizzo, but each will be final at best.

Max Punchihewa 8.5m / Stuart Rooke 8.50m / Liam Shepherd 8.5m (12 votes, 21%) – I had thought Punchihewa was a smokie at one stage and he didn’t show what I wanted. I think he may be out of it here. Someone from WA is set though with Panizza taking Maryborough. Was it a trial? Rooke is a near certainty for the final one would think. He should open as a favourite, but he only won a 100m race. Can he finish when it counts over the Sheffield distance? Definite chance. Shepherd is a absolute danger. Withdrew from Euroa when he could have won. Does he want to hide a little bit? Just beaten last season by Eschebach in the semi, he has an extra half metre this year. HUGE possibility to final and has run sparingly I would think to hide. Lots of votes here and could be a split between Rooke and Shepherd. Both athletes to watch.

Have we voted for the winner? Lots of athletes with incentives that were not in the main votes. Good luck on the punt and with the runs.

22 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:46 am

Guest

avatar
Guest
The real question is can big bad Rooke handle the pressure of being the favourite for this years gift?
Make the final and run away with the $40,000? or will he end up making the final but cracking under the pressure, leaving room for someones else to get in and take the win....perhaps Proc?

Only time will tell but its time to saddle up and get ready for a weekend of racing.

23 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:09 am

tasmanian


Great analysis Mex.
A very fair write up.
Naturally I will be hoping for Jack Hale as he comes from my home state although being a shorter runner he may indeed struggle uphill on the grass track. At least in Jack’s favor is the fact that he is running at his best ever form (10.31 recently) and he has been lifted out 1 meter from the previous year.
I am trying the remember previous years when shorter runners have won but can one comes to mind and that was Paul Young in 1985 as the uphill historically has favored the taller sprinter.

24 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:17 am

Mex

avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Williams-Swain is challenged by height and won off a tighter mark than Young. Probably a good comparison.

25 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:06 pm

oldman


ProTrack A Grader
ProTrack A Grader
Grasping at straws by saying the small uphill rise disadvantages the shorter runners- Andrew robbo is another shorter winner of the big one

26 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:44 pm

gojira


Hale will win in a canter. He just missed out on his last pro race at Burnie which is also uphill and into a stiff breeze. Had a mark of 0.5m there.. Convincingly beat Stubbs and Riali in the process. Now he is in PB form with the handicapper giving him metres at a time.. Lookout

27 Re: Stawell Gift POLL on Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:26 am

Guest

avatar
Guest
Personally i do not think Hale will win this years Stawell Gift, yes he is a very very excellent junior athlete. But there are a lot of others experienced professional running athletes that will make the final and win.

Winner- Ware

Sponsored content


View previous topic View next topic Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 1]

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum