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Stonnington Gift

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1 Stonnington Gift on Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:29 pm

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Stonnington has become one of the biggest races on offer and the entry numbers reflect it's growth as a premier event. I am a little amazed by a couple of the handicaps, but maybe PB's don't count anymore. Suetsugu (10.03pb in the early 2000's) with a very handy mark, if he is fit, we may just be running for a second placing I guess. Lots of entries for guys who run very sparingly in our leagues across Australia let alone Vic and while I think it is great to see them here, I hope a regular takes the oversized cheque and sash.

The return of Josh 'The Boss' Ross is something I have been waiting for and while his absence was enforced on him, I hope he regains the pro form we came to know and love. Joel Bee off a tight mark may just win his '18th' straight back markers event. One thing is for sure though, the pace will be on even if the week's weather looks likely to soften the track somewhat.

Angelakos on 8m means he will likely be off 9.5 in the gift, a 1.75m pull for his second gift win of the year.

On to the tips, who do we like?

2 Re: Stonnington Gift on Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:57 pm

GLPR


final:

marr
mcnamara
richards
ware
harvey
whittaker

winner: richards

3 Re: Stonnington Gift on Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:58 pm

Bang bang


Ross won't run
In Canberra for b team relay

4 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:10 am

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Mex, give the handicapper some credit for researching Shingo's current form.
The 10.03sec was in 2003 - 12 years ago. The guy is turning 36 soon. He hasn't been on the international scene for over 5 years. Can't crucify chap because of a time recorded when Ryan McNamara was in kindergarten.Shingo will be lucky to get out of his heat.
If he did win, what a story, first Japanese athlete to win a Gift.

5 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:44 am

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More recently he ran 10.54 in 2013 and 10.63 in 2014. Won't win but certainly adds interest to an already exciting event.

6 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:10 pm

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I'm excited, so getting on this one early. Not so shocked about some of the scratchings at Trinity, though very shocked about those who chose to run (and not win)...  Neutral

Anyhow, onto another classic and the beginning of a ripper double header this weekend!
The final as I see it.

Shingo Suetsugu 2.5 - An impressive athlete and if he’s in 10.5 shape then he will final, if in even better shape, then duck for cover, the Japanese are coming, again.

Khan Marr 2.75 – full votes for trying most weeks and it is great that he’s become a regular. He’s made virtually every gift final when he’s run, he’ll make another…and lose another. The shorter distance will suit him a treat as his last 20-30m stink like a rotting carcass  scratch

Nathan Riali 3.25 – I know I was sure he’d win the Ballarat Gift but that’s gift running for you. That being said, I am twice as sure he’ll win here, or finish in the top 2 at least. No he hasn’t improved but I have a feeling in my waters.
Isaac Dunmall 4.75 – A strong runner who’s improving and will start making finals 6 weeks out.

Brendan Matthews 5 – One would think he is an Easter money kind of runner and though I tend to agree, I think 5 is a relatively good mark if he’s running close to his best, he’ll final.

Dean Dobric 8.5 – Featured in the placings at Ballarat and may well feature here. I like that Dean appears to wear his heart on his sleeve and was a little annoyed on the podium in Ballarat (or at least looked that way). I don’t really know him but I rate him, he seems like a nice guy.

Darren Whittaker 10.25 – A sentimental favourite Whittaker has a great start and will be the one to beat. Announced as the early favourite by the organisers of the Stonnington Gift I think Darren is in the same boat as Noddy was the other week, everyone wants to see him run and win a decent gift. I think this may be the one. . .

Vic Sharma 11 – Scratched from Ballarat likely on account of having to come back to 12m and I wouldn’t normally put him in my final here, though he has 11m and seems to actually still have some good form over the 100. Still think if he makes the final, he’ll finish close to last – oh wait no, Marr will probably run last.

The final.
Shingo Suetsugu 2.5
Khan Marr 2.75
Nathan Riali 3.25
Isaac Dunmall 4.75
Brendan Matthews 5
Dean Dobric 8.5
Darren Whittaker 10.25
Vic Sharma 11

Riali to win.

7 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:11 pm

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Both MARR and RIALI cannot WIN stonnington, as they "TRIED"and couldn't win a small gift, there ins"'t a chance that they can turn their form around in 4 days - god help either of them if they do, because it will be season over,

Stewards report would read something like "Well done for turning around your slow legs into super fast legs and taking out the Stonnington classic gift, but we cant put up with that, you made us look like fools, so book some holidays you're suspended for the rest of the season."



Last edited by oldman on Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:13 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : poor sentence formation!)

8 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:55 pm

Fishbowls


Hey oldman. Not sure you watched the same race I did but Mr marr could not pull in Riali  and has struggled to run out a 120m in all the gifts he's been going for. That elusive extra metres marr has been striving for might be just out of reach. His reaction after the race said it all. A frustrated man me thinks.On the other hand Riali looked like he was running St Albans final again.. Who knows but hey lets wait and see. Whittaker looks a safe final bet on the other hand.

9 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:53 pm

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My final:

Suetsugu 2.5 - If fit could do anything
Marr 2.75 - The 100m will suit much better
Riali 3.25 - Ran an impressive 70m on the weekend and can finish
McNamara 5.75 - Is flying at the moment, has the mark to do some damage
Dobric 8.5 - Form at Ballarat shows his in this
Whittaker 10.25 - Will they even get close to him with that explosive start?

Whittaker for the win  Cool

10 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:37 pm

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Should be a cracking race this Friday.

My prediction is Whittaker just over Dobric. The next four positions in the final will be interesting and very close. My next best four to fill the 6 person final are...
McNamara, Richards, Schlanders, S.Rooke.

My other contenders to final are....
Marr, Riali, Teo, Suetsugu, Matthews, Houlihan and no doubt there will be a surprise.

BTW - FYI yes Khans last 20m to 30m is very frustrating, however there is a reason for that, that many don't know. He tore his hamstring off the bone in 2011/2012 and it was at the knee attachment and after specialist consultation it was decided that it was unrepairable due to increased likelihood of further recurrence. He is therefore running with only two of the three hamstring bands attached in one leg. The semimembranosis is no longer attached and functioning giving him at least a 7% power reduction, and a greater demand on the other hamstring bands. This increases the fatigue and demand on them meaning a greater decrease in overall speed but also a large reduction in speed endurance. Recovery is also massively affected, so the more rounds in a day the bigger the factor and also more time is required post racing before his next quality training session or performance. Additionally every time he runs he is a heightened risk of injury due to the massively increased demands on that leg.

All the best everyone this weekend at the big double header, which will be full of great racing at both Stonnington and Keilor.

Nick.

11 Re: Stonnington Gift on Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:35 am

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Cracking race this Friday and cracking post from NF.
Post of the season so far. great insight into how tough it is for Khan Marr to back up week after week. Due for a lift and a well derseved win.

12 Re: Stonnington Gift on Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:06 pm

Slowcoach


Couldn't agree more. Perhaps a valuable lesson to those willing to make accusations about athletes. Unless the full story is known, better to keep your thoughts to yourself!

13 Re: Stonnington Gift on Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:38 pm

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Sure would be good to see him get back to his best.

Certainly was an exciting prospect when he first hit the VAL circuit, with his sizzling win in the Stawell Backies pretty damn impressive

https://youtu.be/ZPU-wEVkb_I

14 Re: Stonnington Gift on Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:05 pm

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What an exciting race this will be. One thing the open gift athletes have found is that sometimes there are great races to win other than Stawell. While you would just about give your left one for the Stawell gift sash, Stonnington has turned in to one of the top few gifts around.

Shingo Suetsugu 2.5m / Khan Marr 2.75m (10%) - As previously mentioned, Suetsugu will walk away with this one if he is anywhere near PB form. Wouldn't it be great to see some of the best runners turned up to the pros and ran off marks to hit the ceiling time. How far back would some of them be? How can we tell what form he is in until the night. I wonder if he will run in the semis and then wipe the floor in the 300m? It will be great to watch him, a real coup for Stonnington. Thanks to Nick we now understand why Marr can't finish a race. While I am sure we would all like to see him be successful, nothing changes the comments regarding his inability to run out a 120m. It is disappointing that he simply can't finish a race. If Stawell is still a focus, as it would seem by the volume of smaller races Marr has run, then he will not win here. If the focus is to win as good a gift as possible, then the 100m will suit his electric start and he will only slow down after the race finishes. Your guess is as good as mine here.

Chris Diegan 8.5m / Dean Dobric 8.5m / Matthew Harvey 8.5m (10%) - Diegan is not in the kind of form that would justify votes for a race like Stonnington, votes for the others. Dobric is looking good, some would say he is running well too. One thing is for sure, he will final here. He ran well at Ballarat, has not worried about all the races this year, he is primed for something big. Stonnington or Stwell. Is he good enough to win Stawell? Harvey is another athlete who always turns out looking ready to win. I am not sure if he has a classic in him at the moment, maybe a Keilor, Bendigo or Geelong. I would not like him in my heat or semi though as he is hard to get past.

Daniel Martin 10m / Darren Whittaker 10.25m / Lawrence Coop 10.5m - Martin has won a couple of races this year, but not up to winning a classic any time soon. Whittaker is the quintessential hard luck story. For years he has knocked on the door of a big race and like Angelakos you feel that it is just around the corner. I like him for the final and hope for him to win. Can he break his run of luck? I tell you one thing, I wouldn't mind his ratio of making major gift finals. Coop looks to have hit a bit of a plateau although running a 400m and receiving an NAP probably just suggests that he is waiting. Stonnington? Out of his depth. Bendigo? Maybe, Geelong probably. I think he could look at a group 2 or 1 and soon.

Craig Foley 10.5m / Walter Pasquali 10.5m / Tim Rosen 10.75m - Now that we know about Marr, perhaps we can be enlightened as to how someone can stop running in finals but back up the next week? For what it is worth, I think Foley is a huge shot at this one. The shorter distance will definitely suit and with his strength off the block, he may put pressure on Whittaker early before dog fighting down the track. Final very likely, body permitting top three possible. Pasquali will not win. Rosen. 'The Man', 'The Tool man', 'The Lord of the Gifts', the lord of whatever he wants it seems is winning for fun now after grabbing an early lead in his 400m at Trinity. What is left for this amazing specimen of an athlete? Surely he can't win the Stawell gift as well!

Good luck all, what a weekend awaits.

15 Re: Stonnington Gift on Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:03 pm

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My favourite review so far this year and hope the lead up hype is as good as the racing itself.

16 Re: Stonnington Gift on Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:21 pm

Mex

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Only an NAP for one of the finalists. Feel free to watch the footage and make up your own mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypRpL-PHSds

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