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SAAL - Nippy's Loxton Gift Carnival on Saturday 22nd February 2014 - entry lists with handicaps

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Nippy's Loxton Gift Carnival 2014-02-22
Loxton Sport and Recreation Oval
Bookpurnong Terrace
Loxton

MGA Insurance Brokers 70m Novice
Name Handicap
Bradley Carey 5.00 m
Damien Nicholls 5.00 m
Tyson Schrapel 5.00 m
Josh Koster 5.25 m
Jesse Cordoma 5.50 m
Ben Syrus 5.50 m
Kalen Turner 5.75 m
Hayden Rothe 6.00 m
Bradley Harvey 6.50 m
Hayden Petherick 6.50 m
Kyle Roberts 6.50 m
Jack Sutton 6.50 m
Lewis Abdul 6.75 m
Jess Rafanelli 7.00 m
Nicholas Giles 7.50 m
Peter Kipreou 7.50 m
Trent O Loughlin 7.50 m
Jake Stangewitz 7.50 m
Ashley Brown 8.50 m
Bray Rafanelli 8.50 m
Andrew Buttery 10.00 m
Peter Biggs 10.50 m
David Girolamo 11.00 m
Alex Jefferies 12.75 m
Mikaela Harmston 14.00 m
Sienna Shaw 14.00 m

Nippy's 120m Open Loxton Gift
Name Handicap
Clay Watkins 2.25 m
Todd Bateman 3.75 m
Wallace Long-Scafidi 4.00 m
Robbie James 4.50 m
James Cibich 5.50 m
Adam Coote 6.75 m
Alex Saliu 6.75 m
Damian Tohl 6.75 m
Tyson Schrapel 7.00 m
Luke Houlihan 7.50 m
Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera 7.50 m
Paul Tancredi 7.75 m
Jack Sutton 8.00 m
Connor Verrall 8.00 m
Deng Bulabek 8.50 m
Bray Rafanelli 8.75 m
Jess Rafanelli 8.75 m
Damien Nicholls 9.00 m
Ryan Hancock 9.25 m
Jarrad Dartnall 9.50 m
Peter Kipreou 9.50 m
Neil Thomas 10.00 m
Nickolas Berry 10.25 m
Nicholas Giles 10.25 m
Trent O Loughlin 10.25 m
Noddy Angelakos 11.50 m
Peter Biggs 12.00 m
Daniel Flesfadar 12.00 m
David Miller 12.00 m
David Palmer 12.00 m
Shaun Ryder 12.00 m
Brad Schutz 12.00 m
Christopher Simpson 12.00 m
Ben Wright 12.00 m

Kearney Financial Services 120m Women Women's Loxton Gift
Name Handicap
Lynette Mattingly 5.00 m
Hayley Orman 8.00 m
Kayla Lemm 9.00 m
Amy Robb 9.50 m
Hayley Openshaw 9.75 m
Natasha Inglis 10.50 m
Lucy Mayo 10.50 m
Lucy Buckley 11.00 m
Zoe Steele 11.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 11.50 m
Caitlin Francis 11.50 m
Kirsty Taylor 11.50 m
Niamh Henry 12.00 m
Grainne Henry 12.00 m
Katie Jury 12.00 m
Kellie Symons 12.00 m
Jessica Williams 12.00 m
Hettie Driscoll 13.25 m
Nichola Coombe 13.75 m
Kate Monks 13.75 m
Paige Bateman 14.00 m
Mikaela Harmston 14.00 m
Hollie Moran 14.00 m
Renee Ellis 15.00 m
Trudy Schrapel 17.00 m
Aimee Lane 19.00 m
Lauren McHugh 19.50 m
Dominque Edwards 27.00 m

Schleins Quarries 120m Under 20
Name Handicap
Ryan Atkins 4.50 m
Jesse Cordoma 7.00 m
Ben Syrus 8.00 m
Connor Verrall 8.00 m
Bradley Carey 8.25 m
Josh Koster 9.00 m
Sienna Shaw 10.00 m
Lewis Abdul 10.50 m
Bradley Harvey 10.50 m
Jacobi Ponury 10.50 m
Hayden Rothe 10.50 m
Kalen Turner 10.50 m
Jess Rafanelli 12.00 m
Kyle Roberts 12.00 m
Hayden Petherick 14.25 m
Joshua Biggs 16.50 m
Tom O Malley 19.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 24.00 m
Caitlin Francis 24.00 m
Lucy Mayo 24.00 m
Kate Monks 24.00 m
Alexandra Dingle 25.00 m
Niamh Henry 25.00 m
Katie Jury 25.00 m
Kayla Lemm 25.00 m
Kirsty Taylor 25.00 m
Molly Farmer 26.00 m
Briana Heinjus 26.00 m
Grainne Henry 26.00 m
Jessica Williams 27.00 m
Mikaela Harmston 27.50 m
Heather May 30.00 m
Hollie Moran 30.00 m
Emma Jury 33.00 m
Simone Rothe 33.00 m
Renee Ellis 34.00 m
Patricia Dimitrak 36.00 m

Big River Riverland Supermarkets 300m Open
Name Handicap
Clay Watkins 6.00 m
Alex Saliu 10.00 m
Adam Coote 13.00 m
Wallace Long-Scafidi 16.00 m
Jake Stangewitz 17.00 m
Paul Tancredi 17.00 m
James Cibich 18.00 m
Luke Houlihan 18.00 m
Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera 18.00 m
Deng Bulabek 20.00 m
Michael Nitschke 20.00 m
Murlin Remphrey 20.00 m
Kostya Khudoshin 22.00 m
Hayden Rothe 22.00 m
Jack Sutton 22.00 m
Ben Syrus 22.00 m
Kalen Turner 22.00 m
Connor Verrall 22.00 m
Damian Tohl 23.00 m
Josh Dawkins 24.00 m
Ashley Brown 25.00 m
Jarrad Dartnall 25.00 m
Ryan Hancock 25.00 m
David Palmer 25.00 m
Christopher Ross 25.00 m
Brad Schutz 26.00 m
Ben Wright 26.00 m
Nicholas Giles 28.00 m
Neil Thomas 28.00 m
Nickolas Berry 29.00 m
Christopher Simpson 31.00 m
Ben Crawford 33.00 m
David Girolamo 37.00 m
Aaron Harrison 38.00 m
Shaun Ryder 38.00 m
Simon Thompson 38.00 m
Andrew Buttery 44.00 m
Nathan Hoare 46.00 m

Daimler Trucks Adelaide 300m Women
Name Handicap
Lynette Mattingly 19.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 20.00 m
Lucy Mayo 20.00 m
Kate Monks 20.00 m
Hayley Orman 20.00 m
Lucy Buckley 26.00 m
Kayla Lemm 26.00 m
Amy Robb 26.00 m
Demi Axford 30.00 m
Hettie Driscoll 30.00 m
Jessica Oates 30.00 m
Hayley Openshaw 30.00 m
Zoe Steele 30.00 m
Hollie Moran 32.00 m
Nichola Coombe 35.00 m
Katie Jury 35.00 m
Kellie Symons 36.00 m
Patricia Dimitrak 38.00 m
Chantel Seaforth 38.00 m
Caitlin Sheehy 38.00 m
Lauren McHugh 40.00 m
Paige Bateman 42.00 m
Lisa Roberts 46.00 m
Renee Ellis 50.00 m
Trudy Schrapel 50.00 m
Aimee Lane 52.00 m
Dominque Edwards 58.00 m

Loxton Irrigation Centre 300m Over 35
Name Handicap
David Miller 13.00 m
Michael Hane 14.00 m
Daniel Flesfadar 15.00 m
Christopher Simpson 16.00 m
Shane Grimwade 24.00 m
Salvador Jurado 24.00 m
Ali Saliu 26.00 m
Peter Biggs 30.00 m
Christopher Brown 30.00 m
Andrew Buttery 30.00 m
Michael Cassidy 30.00 m
Richard McMahon 32.00 m
Mark Worthing 32.00 m
Nathan Hoare 35.00 m
Peter Venables 35.00 m
Brendan Golden 38.00 m
Alex Jefferies 40.00 m
Daniel Tregenza 40.00 m
Geoff Troiano 40.00 m
Chris Dimitrak 44.00 m
Grant Oates 44.00 m
John Turner 44.00 m
Mick Abbott 46.00 m
Mark Barnett 46.00 m
David Jelfs 46.00 m
Amanda Jurado 50.00 m
Brett Stokes 50.00 m
John Hewton 55.00 m
Mark Howson 55.00 m
Lyn Peake 66.00 m
Sue Turner 68.00 m
Ron Axford 70.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 84.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 90.00 m

Mort Daly Running Foundation 300m Under 17
Name Handicap
Ryan Atkins 10.00 m
Lewis Abdul 20.00 m
William McCann 20.00 m
Josh Koster 22.00 m
Kyle Roberts 30.00 m
Joshua Biggs 35.00 m
Alex Martini 35.00 m
Lucy Mayo 44.00 m
Casey Buchanan 50.00 m
Tom O Malley 50.00 m
Jessica Williams 55.00 m
Jessica Oates 58.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 60.00 m
Alexandra Dingle 60.00 m
Zali Turner 60.00 m
Caelim Worthing 60.00 m
Natassia Messent 62.00 m
Caitlin Francis 64.00 m
Kirsty Taylor 65.00 m
Molly Farmer 66.00 m
Niamh Henry 68.00 m
Mikaela Harmston 70.00 m
Grainne Henry 70.00 m
Briana Heinjus 75.00 m
Emma Jury 80.00 m
Heather May 80.00 m
Simone Rothe 80.00 m
Ruby Buchanan 82.00 m
Patricia Dimitrak 87.00 m
Sebastian Jurado 100.00 m

Riverland Water 1000m Open
Name Handicap
Michael Marantelli 20.00 m
Andy Axford 22.00 m
Adam Coote 30.00 m
Harry May 30.00 m
Peter Hyde 33.00 m
Josh Nolan 34.00 m
Matthew Axford 38.00 m
Ben Crawford 42.00 m
Kostya Khudoshin 48.00 m
Tim Earle 50.00 m
Stephen Jelfs 65.00 m
Connor McIvor 65.00 m
Christopher Ross 66.00 m
Damian Robinson 75.00 m
Bradley Kitto 80.00 m
Matthew Konetschka 80.00 m
Matthew Fallon 90.00 m
Leigh Haussen 100.00 m
Richard McMahon 120.00 m
Christopher Brown 125.00 m
Adam Cleary 125.00 m

Loxton Hygenic Meats 1000m Women
Name Handicap
Emily Hyde 52.00 m
Nadia De Bellis 70.00 m
Tasmin McMahon 70.00 m
Jemma Nguyen 75.00 m
Natassia Messent 80.00 m
Jane Mudge 100.00 m
Caitlin Sheehy 110.00 m
Lauren McHugh 120.00 m
Lisa Roberts 145.00 m
Amanda Jurado 180.00 m
Isabella Partington 205.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 210.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 240.00 m

Flight Motors 1000m Over 35
Name Handicap
Michael Hane 10.00 m
Steven Wilson 40.00 m
Salvador Jurado 50.00 m
Richard McMahon 52.00 m
Geoff Troiano 70.00 m
Christopher Brown 80.00 m
Ali Saliu 90.00 m
Mick Abbott 100.00 m
Grant Oates 100.00 m
Mark Worthing 115.00 m
Chris Dimitrak 125.00 m
David Jelfs 130.00 m
Jane Mudge 135.00 m
Daniel Tregenza 172.00 m
Mark Howson 185.00 m
Ron Axford 220.00 m
John Hewton 230.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 270.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 280.00 m

Riverland Lending Services 1000m Under 20
Name Handicap
William McCann 40.00 m
Connor McIvor 40.00 m
Murlin Remphrey 40.00 m
Corey Watkins 40.00 m
Jacobi Ponury 50.00 m
Lachlan Hennig 75.00 m
Hamish Peberdy 80.00 m
Joshua Lynott 85.00 m
Joshua Biggs 90.00 m
Casey Buchanan 100.00 m
Caelim Worthing 150.00 m
Isabella Partington 230.00 m

Leading Edge Telecoms 50m Sprint Skins Invitation
Name Handicap

Stokesy

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Some changes since last year for the oldies ...

I have been hit 10m ... so have Sue Turner and Ron Axford and John Turner ... and Shane Grimwade and Mark Barnett and Mick Abbott

Daniel Flesfadar and Chris Brown hit by 11m ...

Last year's winner Cheryl Zeuner hit by 12m ...
Debbie DeVizio hit by 12m ...

Mark Howson hit by 13m ...

Michael Cassidy hit by 17m ..
David Miller hit by 19m

and also the winners ...
Richard McMahon and Brendan Golden hit by 8m
Geoff Troiano and Ali Saliu hit by 6m

Andrew Buttery hit by just 2m ... in good form with a third in the Hectorville 400m over35s ... looks a very good chance to win ... or maybe this mark will get revised before the start ???

Salvador Jurado same mark as last year ... looks a very good chance to win ... or maybe this mark will get revised before the start ???

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This Years Marks
Loxton Irrigation Centre 300m Over 35

Name Handicap

David Miller 13.00 m
Michael Hane 14.00 m
Daniel Flesfadar 15.00 m
Christopher Simpson 16.00 m
Shane Grimwade 24.00 m
Salvador Jurado 24.00 m
Ali Saliu 26.00 m
Peter Biggs 30.00 m
Christopher Brown 30.00 m
Andrew Buttery 30.00 m
Michael Cassidy 30.00 m
Richard McMahon 32.00 m
Mark Worthing 32.00 m
Nathan Hoare 35.00 m
Peter Venables 35.00 m
Brendan Golden 38.00 m
Alex Jefferies 40.00 m
Daniel Tregenza 40.00 m
Geoff Troiano 40.00 m
Chris Dimitrak 44.00 m
Grant Oates 44.00 m
John Turner 44.00 m
Mick Abbott 46.00 m
Mark Barnett 46.00 m
David Jelfs 46.00 m
Amanda Jurado 50.00 m
Brett Stokes 50.00 m
John Hewton 55.00 m
Mark Howson 55.00 m
Lyn Peake 66.00 m
Sue Turner 68.00 m
Ron Axford 70.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 84.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 90.00 m

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Last Year's Results

300m Over 35 - Heat 1
1 Sue Turner 78m 33.880
2 Brett Stokes 60m 34.620
3 Christopher Brown 41m 34.990
4 Mark Barnett 56m 35.190
5 Mark Howson 68m 35.340
6 Gary Thompson 70m 35.650
- Mark Beveridge 24m Scr
- Ali Saliu 32m Scr
- Brendan Golden 46m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 2
1 Cheryl Zeuner 102m 33.170
2 David Miller 32m 33.840
3 Graham Harris 48m 34.210
4 Andrew Buttery 32m 34.550
5 Ian Reddaway 78m 35.730
6 George Diakomichalis 46m 36.710
- Richard McMahon 40m Scr
- Greg Franks 46m Scr
- Mick Abbott 56m Scr
- Jackie Chehade 66m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 3
1 Trudy Schrapel 70m 34.100
2 John Turner 54m 34.410
3 Michael Cassidy 47m 34.630
4 Ray Earle 65m 34.940
5 Debbie DeVizio 96m 35.350
- David Palmer 8m Scr
- Daniel Flesfadar 26m Scr
- Nathan Hoare 40m Scr
- Peter Brennan 46m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 4
1 Ron Axford 80m 33.590
2 Eugene DeVizio 64m 33.790
3 Shane Grimwade 34m 34.690
4 Geoff Troiano 46m 35.350
5 Salvador Jurado 24m 35.620
6 Rafal Staporski 42m 36.460
7 Daniel Tregenza 50m 37.420
- Brian Golden 8m Scr
- Darcy Cheney 70m Scr

300m Over 35 - Final
1 Cheryl Zeuner 102m 32.510
2 Ron Axford 80m 33.020
3 Sue Turner 78m 33.210
4 David Miller 32m 33.540
5 Trudy Schrapel 70m 37.720
6 Eugene DeVizio 64m 33.880
7 John Turner 54m 34.100
8 Brett Stokes 60m 34.450

Matenga


Not a great turn out for the gift. Considering its the second biggest gift in the SAAL that's pretty poor. Especially when you realise hectorville worth $190 got more entrants!

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Birdman said that Tjimarri not running so thats one already out.
No Calcutta this year either that I have heard of so interest not as keen in Loxton either.

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70 Novice..Berry,Cordoma,Brown
120 Gift....Wright,Thomas,Schutz
120 W......Orman,McHugh,Jury
Under 20...Henry,Petherick,Abdul
300 Open..Dartnall,Giles,Brown
300 W......Buckley,Coome,Jury
0ver 35 300m..Biggs,Burrery,Cassidy
1000m.... Robinsin,Kitto,Khudoshin
1000 W ..Nguyen,Zuener,Roberts
0ver35 1000m..Tregenza,Wilson,Axford
Under 20 1000m...McCann,Remphrey,Ponury

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Stokesy wrote:Some changes since last year for the oldies ...

I have been hit 10m ... so have Sue Turner and Ron Axford and John Turner ... and Shane Grimwade and Mark Barnett and Mick Abbott

Daniel Flesfadar and Chris Brown hit by 11m ...

Last year's winner Cheryl Zeuner hit by 12m ...
Debbie DeVizio hit by 12m ...

Mark Howson hit by 13m ...

Michael Cassidy hit by 17m ..
David Miller hit by 19m

and also the winners ...
Richard McMahon and Brendan Golden hit by 8m
Geoff Troiano and Ali Saliu hit by 6m

Andrew Buttery hit by just 2m ... in good form with a third in the Hectorville 400m over35s ... looks a very good chance to win ... or maybe this mark will get revised before the start ???

Salvador Jurado same mark as last year ... looks a very good chance to win ... or maybe this mark will get revised before the start ???

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This Years Marks
Loxton Irrigation Centre 300m Over 35

Name Handicap

David Miller 13.00 m
Michael Hane 14.00 m
Daniel Flesfadar 15.00 m
Christopher Simpson 16.00 m
Shane Grimwade 24.00 m
Salvador Jurado 24.00 m
Ali Saliu 26.00 m
Peter Biggs 30.00 m
Christopher Brown 30.00 m
Andrew Buttery 30.00 m
Michael Cassidy 30.00 m
Richard McMahon 32.00 m
Mark Worthing 32.00 m
Nathan Hoare 35.00 m
Peter Venables 35.00 m
Brendan Golden 38.00 m
Alex Jefferies 40.00 m
Daniel Tregenza 40.00 m
Geoff Troiano 40.00 m
Chris Dimitrak 44.00 m
Grant Oates 44.00 m
John Turner 44.00 m
Mick Abbott 46.00 m
Mark Barnett 46.00 m
David Jelfs 46.00 m
Amanda Jurado 50.00 m
Brett Stokes 50.00 m
John Hewton 55.00 m
Mark Howson 55.00 m
Lyn Peake 66.00 m
Sue Turner 68.00 m
Ron Axford 70.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 84.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 90.00 m

=====================
Last Year's Results

300m Over 35 - Heat 1
1 Sue Turner 78m 33.880
2 Brett Stokes 60m 34.620
3 Christopher Brown 41m 34.990
4   Mark Barnett 56m 35.190
5 Mark Howson 68m 35.340
6 Gary Thompson 70m 35.650
- Mark Beveridge 24m Scr
- Ali Saliu 32m Scr
- Brendan Golden 46m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 2
1 Cheryl Zeuner 102m 33.170
2 David Miller 32m 33.840
3 Graham Harris 48m 34.210
4 Andrew Buttery 32m 34.550
5 Ian Reddaway 78m 35.730
6 George Diakomichalis 46m 36.710
- Richard McMahon 40m Scr
- Greg Franks 46m Scr
- Mick Abbott 56m Scr
- Jackie Chehade 66m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 3
1 Trudy Schrapel 70m 34.100
2 John Turner 54m 34.410
3 Michael Cassidy 47m 34.630
4 Ray Earle 65m 34.940
5 Debbie DeVizio 96m 35.350
- David Palmer 8m Scr
- Daniel Flesfadar 26m Scr
- Nathan Hoare 40m Scr
- Peter Brennan 46m Scr

300m Over 35 - Heat 4
1 Ron Axford 80m 33.590
2 Eugene DeVizio 64m 33.790
3 Shane Grimwade 34m 34.690
4 Geoff Troiano 46m 35.350
5 Salvador Jurado 24m 35.620
6 Rafal Staporski 42m 36.460
7 Daniel Tregenza 50m 37.420
- Brian Golden 8m Scr
- Darcy Cheney 70m Scr

300m Over 35 - Final
1 Cheryl Zeuner 102m 32.510
2 Ron Axford 80m 33.020
3 Sue Turner 78m 33.210
4 David Miller 32m 33.540
5 Trudy Schrapel 70m 37.720
6 Eugene DeVizio 64m 33.880
7 John Turner 54m 34.100
8 Brett Stokes 60m 34.450



Stokesy

Bring your attention to rules of competition

10.5 Handicap Penalties for all Athletes

If the net time for a distance is being constantly broken, the Handicapper may choose to give all athletes a handicap penalty.

From what I can recall net time for Over 35 300m is around the 35 or 36 mark, so results from last year at Loxton made the net time look way out of que.
Would be I should imagine, why everyone has taken a hit this year.Some more than others !!!!!!!

7 due care on Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:24 pm

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Thanks Whispers.

I think there is some missing detail to the history of this situation.

Last year before Loxton, everyone (or almost everyone) got a 10m lift in the over35s 300m, because of a runner who was expected to run a phenomenally fast time.

Now this is being reversed, with everyone (well almost everyone) getting a 10m hit.

Lyn Peake (who was out of action this time last year due to the trip/fall at the end of Loxton over35s 300m final two years ago) has been hit hard for her brave return to Loxton.

Andrew Buttery and Salvador Jurado have gained about 20m on Lyn.

Anything in the rules about fairness and equity and due care by the handicappers?

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No Stokesy your missing the point.

The point is the times were ridiculously fast last year under the previous handicapping situation. It embarrassed the handicapper.
The new veterans handicapper is working to a slower time so has made adjustments.
The handicapper had identified some athletes who have not previously been competitive in 300s and given them a chance.
It's about everyone getting a chance at some stage, rather than the same faces every week enjoying the spoils.
Team Townley win most of the vets races, how about letting a few others be among the chances?
Just enjoy the running and stop worrying about marks. At your age it's about enjoyment, having fun and participating. A sash is a bonus.

9 due care on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:31 am

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thanks RM whoever you are.

I think I am making a valid point, that the handicap system is a lottery.

The winners this time are S Jurado and A Buttery who were both competitive, now they are certainties.

Those who drive all the way to Loxton will see if there are corrections made on the day.

Other people will save money and time and stay away.

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Stokesy

Regardless whos been hit more than the others etc etc.

I noticed in last years handicaps that Golden and Palmer were the backmarkers on 8m
Wouldnt it have been easier to move these two runners back to scratch rather than move the rest of the field out.
Was one of these the runner who was going to run the fast time ?

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hey Whispers, I think Duncan Tippins was the runner concerned.

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There seems to be a disproportionate amount of time spent discussing veterans' handicaps over in the SA side of the forum...

Stokesy

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hey DJ thanks for that

whoever you are

Stokesy

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Once more, I say that the SAAL has severe problems with the handicapping and results.

I speak with knowledge of the over35s and over45s sprint events, but clearly other events are affected by the dismal information systems of the SAAL.

The sport deserves better.

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Well that was easy. In an attempt to generate some discussion on something other than 300m handicaps DJ has gone and put together a preview for the Loxton 1k.

Michael Marantelli 20m – Last start winner over 800m at Ballarat and 1600m at Camden so should perform well over the unique 1000m trip. As a result, handicap is reasonably tight and having to go around every runner in a straight final could prove troublesome. Should still feature in the finish.

Andy Axford 22m – Last year’s winner off 42m in 2.23.6. Coming back 20m makes it difficult but 2.23 is super fast over the kilometre distance so the handicapper has still kept him competitive. Also appears to be running better this season although he did bomb out in the Adelaide Track Classic last week failing to break 2.00 in the B 800.

Adam Coote 30m – Don’t you just hate it when you accidentally enter the wrong race but it’s too late to get your money back?

Harry May 30m – After a slow start to the season is starting to show the form we know he’s capable of. In the B 800 at ATC he ran a very respectable 1.52.9. A run of similar quality is likely to have him right amongst things but he’s not going to enjoy the extra 200m.

Peter Hyde 33m – Looked to have returned to form with a 2nd placing in the Camden 1600 but was below his best running 1.58 at ATC. He made the final last year off the same handicap but couldn’t back it up in the final so might be suited to only having to run once. Who knows what we’ll get come Saturday but at his best will certainly be competitive.

Josh Nolan 34m – Back after last year’s third off the same handicap. With 1st and 2nd running off reduced handicaps he comes into this favourably. However, last season his form was strong leading into the event having won the Ballarat 800m. Has the ability but will need to lift on recent form to feature.

Matthew Axford 38m – Anyone who watched the ATC 800m race video knows that he’s certainly got the speed required to get the job done. After running 1.55 earlier in the night he took them through the first lap in a tick under 52 seconds. Ran 3rd in the Bay 800m where he held a 8m advantage on 2nd place Marantelli. He has an extra 10m here but once again, it might be a case of 200m too far.

Ben Crawford 42m – Not at his best this season and too tightly handicapped here after several successful seasons in the SAAL.

Kostya Khudoshin 48m – Has a great handicap for the kilometre journey. Based on 800m handicaps Kostya must be rapt with his mark. However, it appears the handicapper has rightfully taken into account that he’s more of a 400/800m runner. Last season he failed to make the final off 42m. DJ suspects even with the 6m lift this year the race is still just that little too far.

Tim Earle 50m – Ran 2nd last year off 65m so the handicapper hasn’t missed him. Couldn’t give Jelfs 7m in their heat of the 800m at the Bay so it’s hard to see how he can give up 15m over 1km.

Stephen Jelfs 65m – If he’s in form then this is his race to lose. As mentioned above, he’s well in off the handicaps and has a handy 15m gap to the next person behind. If it develops into two bunches as DJ predicts it will, he’s likely to be the best runner in the first bunch, perfectly poised to pounce on his opposition over the final stages. Favourite.

Connor McIvor 65m – Has shown glimpses of form this season but strikes me as someone with still a bit to learn. Prefer in the U/20 1km.

Christopher Ross 66m – Doesn’t appear to be in the sort of form required to give this a shake off 66m.

Damian Robinson 75m – Goes up 13m on last year which all of a sudden puts him in the mix as I think the race will be a little slower than last year’s event. Has a decent mark for a handy runner but not sure on current form.

Bradley Kitto 80m – Just missed the 800m final at the Bay off 78m. You’d imagine the frontmarkers would need a significant lift off their 800m handicaps to be competitive over 1k so can’t see him featuring here.

Matthew Konetschka 80m – You could make the same argument for Konetschka as Kitto. However, DJ thinks Konetschka is more of a distance runner so the 1km distance will be more to his liking. Couldn’t get near it last year off 85m but he’s made some good improvements in the past 12 months.

Matthew Fallon 90m – Ran very fast in his 800m heat at the Bay behind Watkins. If he’s still in that shape he’ll be competitive but he doesn’t go up enough in handicaps on that to be a chance over 1km.

Leigh Haussen 100m – Improving but he’s still got a bit to learn before he does some damage.

Richard McMahon 120m – Entered in the Vets 1k and one would imagine he needs more anyway.

Chris Brown 125m – Meets McMahon 23m better off in the Vets 1k so don’t expect him to be on the start line here.

Adam Cleary 125m – Has a decent mark for a guy who has performed pretty well over the mile distance at the Bay in previous years. Don’t think it will be enough for him here though.

Overall we seem to have a cracker of a race. Jelfs is the rightful favourite, but you can throw a blanket over the rest of them.

Any of DJ's chosen eight could win.
1. Jelfs (65) 2.25.2
2. M. Axford (38)
3. Marantelli (20)
4. May (30)
5. Khudoshin (48)
6. Konetschka (80)
7. Nolan (34)
8. A. Axford (22)



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Well Done DJ .
Jelfs seen talking to the handicapper and holding his hammy after last weeks event.
Either very guilty for being caught for not trying, or may have a problem.

Results not up from last week yet but stablemate Fallon showed them a clean pair of heels to lead most of the way in the 1600m.Not sure of the time.

Damian Redleg Robinson ran 2nd last week in the 1600m so the form is there ,only has to cling to the 80m markers to be a big chance.


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Thanks for the feedback Whispers. Sounds like it might be even more wide open with two more live chances and our favourite in doubt. As you mentioned, Robinson is especially dangerous with the 80m guys providing a handy sit.

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Stokesy you put all the past results up but do you go over them closely?
Of all the people who entered last year and this year buttery and Jurado ran the 2 slowest times. Howson and Cassidy have just about stitched up every race between them this season so deserve to cop the biggest hit.
So basically he has pulled almost everyone back due to the smashing of net time with last seasons lifts and rather than lifting buttery or Jurado he has pulled everyone to scale bringing them into the race.
It's actually quite intelligent handicapping.

Whispers a few interesting tips there. I think berry is no longer a novice?
Has dartnall got out of a heat this year? I reckon khudoshin or brown for the 300. Sutton nitschke berry and wright all around the mark in the final as well.
I do agree with you on the gift wright the winner from tohl and Watkins.

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[quote="Rookie"Whispers a few interesting tips there. I think berry is no longer a novice?
Has dartnall got out of a heat this year? I reckon khudoshin or brown for the 300. Sutton nitschke berry and wright all around the mark in the final as well.
I do agree with you on the gift wright the winner from tohl and Watkins. [/quote]

Noticed Darnall hasnt showed much ticker at the bottom end of longer sprints although he did show improvement at Ballarat.Dartnall did make the final in both sprints at TTG so has the speed and handicap to take him a long way. Certainly been a very indifferent season for him.Often ran as if hes not interested but near the end of the season and no sash for the season could be a big enough lure.
Noticed that Brown didnt get hit for his Marion win so is sure to be up there.Not all athletes received a lift from Marion but Tohl received a 2 m lift so would have to fancy his chances after making the final there.

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Just looked back and noticed Watkins also got a 2m lift from Marion, so has to be considered .Certainly would be a huge effort to catch them from there.
Nothing better than to see the red flashing home 6 deep , like when the Big Horse won it.
Thats what brings people to their feet.

Certainly missed both Tohl and Watkins in my early selections but you cant tip them all and Im happy to go with the ones I have tipped.

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70m novice: brown from the surprise podium getter last week Stangewitz

120m, wright, Watkins

300m, Kostya khodoshioin from long scafidi as the surprise

1km: marentelli from jelfs.

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Stokesy wrote:thanks RM whoever you are.

I think I am making a valid point, that the handicap system is a lottery.

The winners this time are S Jurado and A Buttery who were both competitive, now they are certainties.

Those who drive all the way to Loxton will see if there are corrections made on the day.

Other people will save money and time and stay away.



Well Stokesy, you look a complete and utter goose after Sue Turner comfortably beat Ron Axford in the 300m vets final.
You bag the handicapper, claiming you speak from some authority when you clearly got it wrong. Just as well Sue didn't take your advice and stay away.
The handicapper was 100% right and justified with the marks allocated to Juurado and Buttery. Neither never got near YOUR STABLEMATE, Sue Turner.
I suggest you publicly apologise to Simon Thompson and promise not to comment on vets handicapping.
In the wake of the Loxton result you've lost all credibility.

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hey RacingMania whoever you are, thanks for your comments and suggestions.

Perhaps you can identify yourself so as to attempt to evade the accusations of cowardice which are coming your way.

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The results (here on ProTrack today) indicate that Andrew Buttery ran off 28m in the over35s 300m, rather than the 30m mark published.

So maybe the handicapper took note of my analysis and suggestions.

Can anyone advise as to what mark S Jurado ran off in the actual race (published mark was 24m)?

Can anyone advise as to what mark L Peake ran off in the actual race (published mark was 66m)?

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RacingMania has anonymously stated that I should apologise to the handicapper, who is named by RacingMania in his post.

RacingMania has anonymously stated that I "bagged" the handicapper.

I stick by what I said, which was not a personal attack on the handicapper.

I believe that my analysis and comments have assisted the sport.

The handicapper has several times acted on my analysis and comments.

I believe that the "lottery" handicapping is not good for the sport.

I believe that RacingMania is a silly coward, hiding behing a false name and throwing shit at people who work hard to improve the sport.

I will not be apologising at this stage.

racingmania


Still can't admit you were wrong hey Brett?

You attacked the integrity of the handicapper indirectly by claiming he uses a lottery system. That's a disgraceful comment.
The SAAL handicapper is better at his job than you are at making predictions.
You assume the handicapper acts on your advice, you couldn't be further from the truth.
He's in fact thinking of giving it away because he is sick of the abuse and ill-informed comments from people who have no clue about how much time and effort the guy puts into the role.
None of these whinging vets ever thank the handicapper when he does a good job.
We may lose a good handicapper from the sport because you and your vet mates constantly whinge about marks.
He got this one right and you still couldn't acknowledge your mistake.
The worse thing is you publicly pushed for an athlete to be re-handicapped so one of your own stable would benefit. That's pathetic.

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Still cannot identify yourself RacingMania, whoever you are?

Your words are inaccurate in various ways.

My complaints have been directed at the SAAL systems, specifically the information systems.

My complaints have been directed at the results of the handicapping system, which continue to be littered with unexplained anomalies.

My analyses have been a lot of work, made even harder by the dismal and deteriorating lack of published results.

As Biggsy posted recently "any results from Hectorville?".

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Stokesy & Racung Mania

Dont worry about the Old Codgers .
I have great concerns of the handicapping and future of under age racing if what happened in Loxton on the weekend is going to be the norm.
The good athletes will stay away in droves if we keep getting results like the Under 17 300m.
To have 5 of the 8 finalists running off 70m, 77m, 80m, 87m, & 100m, over 300m is not what we want to see.May as well call it the Under 17 200m.
How in the hell did these athletes get out to these inflated marks so quick.
Felt very sorry for some of the backmarkers forced to do the chasing knowing they had no chance at all.

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Whispers has decided not to hold back, get ready to press that button Admin.

Disgrace that the under 20 120m backmarker ran in the RED off 24m.
Disgrace that 6 of the final 8 runners in the under 17 300m ran off 60m or more.
Congrats to Lauren on her athlete of the meet, its a voted on performance and not awarded on points.
So can someone please tell me how a women winning the womens 120m off 19.50m is a better performance than Damian Redleg Robinson who was dead and buried at the 80m mark but lifted himself off the canvas to get back and win.Nothing against Lauren at all but think those doing the voting need to think a bit more before they vote.
Whispers is already aware of two outstanding young lads that wont be doing much travelling if they can barely see the front markers down the track when they go down on their blocks, better to stay at home and run at Saantos.

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Whispers wrote:Whispers has decided not to hold back, get ready to press that button Admin.

Disgrace that the under 20 120m backmarker ran in the RED off 24m.
Disgrace that 6 of the final 8 runners in the under 17 300m ran off 60m or more.
Congrats to Lauren on her athlete of the meet, its a voted on performance and not awarded on points.
So can someone please tell me how a women winning the womens 120m off 19.50m is a better performance than Damian Redleg Robinson who was dead and buried at the 80m mark but lifted himself off the canvas to get back and win.Nothing against Lauren at all but think those doing the voting need to think a bit more before they vote.
Whispers is already aware of two outstanding young lads that wont be doing much travelling if they can barely see the front markers down the track when they go down on their blocks, better to stay at home and run at Saantos.

When you mention get ready to "press" that button, I think the word you are looking for is "click". It explains alot! Not only good runners will leave, mediocre ones like myself are considering it. And you thought you weren't holding back!  Shocked 
Looks like Loxton is a front markers meet, not sure how or why?
Stokesy, it is a little odd to see most go back 10m which is obviously from Duncan not competing, but then you have Sal not move at all, and its not like we have much happen between last year and now when it comes to the 300's, admittedly Sal needed a lift to be more competitive in the 300's. The times where too quick for the O35's 300m so it had to happen.
300m Over 35 - Final 2013
1 Cheryl Zeuner 102m 32.510
2 Ron Axford 80m 33.020
3 Sue Turner 78m 33.210
4 David Miller 32m 33.540
5 Trudy Schrapel 70m 37.720
6 Eugene DeVizio 64m 33.880
7 John Turner 54m 34.100
8 Brett Stokes 60m 34.450

only one back marker in the final last year, at least this year few more back markers featured in the final but still no chance of catching the front markers.
DJ we are an aging state, maybe thats why we have more over 35's discussion?  Very Happy

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