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PROTRACK » GENERAL » How long till new runners get handicap relief ??

How long till new runners get handicap relief ??

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Hubbaup


New to this whole pro running caper and wondering how many meetings does it take till a new runner gets a lift in handicap and approx how many events till a competitive mark is allotted say maybe four metres above the novice mark over the 120m distance ??

DizzyRunner


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Depends which stable/state you come from.

Cheetah_Mang

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Well said DizzyRunner!

Hubbaup


Oh ok like that is it !! So if your not in the right stable your in trouble are you?? What is a good stable in the Melbourne Metro area (northern suburbs) to align with then ?

DizzyRunner


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Wohh there tiger.

That question, posted below the above comments, is enough to start all manner of fires. Given the heat in Victoria in recent weeks, Dizzy hopes no one takes that question on board and we don't need to get the hoses out to watch everyone down.

Hubbaup


Point taken mate consider the question un asked

WhataboutmeMrHandicapper


hubba - you may be living in the wrong part of Melbourne. Willing to travel?
Go to the eastern and southern burbs. Lifts in marks more regular in the east and south.

Hubbaup


Don't really want to travel too far at the moment would rather find a close by stable. Is there any good stables in the Northern Burbs??

WhataboutmeMrHandicapper


Paul Tancredi and Noddy Angelakos are around that area. Essendon area? Good blokes to train with.

Hubbaup


Thanks mate Essendon is not too far out the way for us

11 Stable on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:07 pm

Fishbowls


i heard there's as another stable in northern surbs R.A.D. Been doing alright lately too. Diamond Valley areas. if thats closer

Hubbaup


Yeah I've heard of the RAD squad they are flying at the moment got a feeling it's a DV only squad though

Discobull

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Hey hubbaup. Thanks for that. Yes a dv squad but bouncer might left people in at the disco.

Hubbaup


Sounds like your in the know there Discobull !

ToM

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Heh. That's 'cause Disco IS R.A.D., hubba.

Hubbaup


I sorta gathered that TOM ! I still didn't really get an answer to my original question but not to worry! It's early days on the forum!! Thanks for the info on the stables though guys

Discobull

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Hey hubba. It takes 3 runs in the same category e.g. 70m open and 70m novice marks are different. Then the move depending on the result and race can be from .25m to .75m and at the discretion of the handicaper. Correct me if im wrong anyone.

Hubbaup


Thanks for the heads up Discobull

oldman


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Don't forget the OGA rules which exist in the sport, OGA or ongoing assessment is a tool which can be used with new runners especially younger athletes who have the potential to improve rapidly, this can allow handicap increases and DECREASES outside of the normal 3 tick system which is used with established runners. This should allow new runners to become competitive quickly, but allow allow the handicap panel the ability to DECREASE handicaps at any time whilst an athlete is OGA, to stop quality young athlete from completely rorting the system. It's 20 runs over 1 distance before an athlete is viewed as established and you can still be OGA all the remaining part of the season even if you get your 20th run in that distance early in the season, so a young runner like 'inside evens' could possibly be OGA over the 120m distance next year.
Is a good rule to have as young athletes can improve rapidly within and between seasons with different levels of maturity as well as undertaking gym and strength training and structured training

ToM

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Sorry, hubba. It's been a long week. I didn't mean to seem dismissive.

Your best bet is to have a look at the 'Downloads' section on the VAL websitehttp://val.org.au/Downloads.aspx and read the document on Handicap Guidelines.

If you would like clarification on any handicapping issue, see the Chief Steward, Bill Sutton, at any VAL meet, and request his permission to discuss your concerns with the relevant handicapper for your event type (Graeme Goldsworthy - sprints; Darryl Nettleton - 300/400/550/Novice; Graeme Watkins - distance; Sonya Pollard - Women's sprints).

In the long term, it's not in anyone's interest for a person to remain uncompetitive over all distances, as it is expensive and people will likely be lost to the sport. However, the handicappers tend to be more protective of Gift-distance (100m/120m) handicaps and prefer to see each athlete have several runs before they start advancing their marks much.

Currently, a person will typically receive one unit of lift for their handicap for every three events in which they compete, although that is a gross oversimplification. You can find out more by reading http://val.org.au/Portals/0/downloads/HANDICAPPING_GUIDELINES-Current_2011-12.pdf.

Best of luck.

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