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Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013

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1 Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:19 pm

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City of Charles Sturt 120m Open
Clay Watkins 2.25 m
Robbie James 3.75 m
Wallace Long-Scafidi 3.75 m
Alex Bubner 5.00 m
Jordan Tronnolone 6.25 m
Alex Saliu 6.75 m
James Cibich 7.00 m
Roger Van Der Linden 7.00 m
Chris Innes-Wong 7.25 m
Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera 7.50 m
Dylan Hicks 7.75 m
Reece Turner 7.75 m
Connor Verrall 7.75 m
Deng Bulabek 8.00 m
Bradley Carey 8.00 m
Ryan Garnett 8.00 m
Luke Houlihan 8.00 m
David Matkovic 8.00 m
Lachlan Sheffield 8.00 m
Jack Sutton 8.00 m
Kalen Turner 8.00 m
Josh Dawkins 8.25 m
Damian Tohl 8.25 m
Peter Kipreou 8.50 m
Stephan Thiel 8.50 m
Jack Hannah 8.75 m
Chris Lipman 9.00 m
Hayden Rothe 9.00 m
Jarrad Dartnall 9.25 m
Bradley Letton 9.25 m
Ryan Hancock 9.75 m
Michael Nitschke 9.75 m
Trent O Loughlin 9.75 m
Nickolas Berry 10.00 m
Ashley Brown 10.00 m
David Gross 10.00 m
Jake Stangewitz 10.00 m
Nicholas Giles 10.25 m
Neil Thomas 10.25 m
Daniel Flesfadar 12.00 m
Aaron Harrison 12.00 m
David Palmer 12.00 m
Brad Schutz 12.00 m
David Girolamo 12.75 m
Peter Biggs 13.00 m
Tyson Hancock 13.00 m
Ali Saliu 13.00 m
Steven Jones 13.25 m
Shaun Ryder 13.75 m

City of Charles Sturt 120m Women
Pirrenee Steinert 0.25 m
Tamara Ng 5.50 m
Bridgid Connolly 7.00 m
Hayley Orman 7.25 m
Brooke Carey 7.50 m
Amy McLatchie 7.50 m
Anna Speirs 7.50 m
Czenya Cavouras 8.50 m
Amie Mittiga 9.00 m
Courtney Evans 9.50 m
Amy Robb 9.50 m
Lucy Mayo 10.00 m
Mikayla Round 10.00 m
Jessica Macolino 10.50 m
Lucy Buckley 11.00 m
Lily Drummond 11.00 m
Rachel Fisk 11.00 m
Ellie Meich 11.00 m
Zoe Steele 11.00 m
Hayley Openshaw 11.75 m
Mikaela Harmston 12.00 m
Lucy Holland-Smith 12.00 m
Katie Jury 12.00 m
Natasha Inglis 12.50 m
Nichola Coombe 12.75 m
Kate Monks 12.75 m
Hettie Driscoll 14.25 m
Courtney Ryder 16.50 m
Trudy Schrapel 16.50 m
Tayce Fry 16.75 m
Jenni Partington 17.00 m
Aimee Lane 18.00 m
Lauren McHugh 19.50 m
Lisa Roberts 20.00 m

City of Charles Sturt 120m Over 35
David Palmer 4.75 m
Aaron Harrison 5.75 m
Ross Nitschke 8.00 m
Justin Burgess 8.50 m
David Miller 8.75 m
Ali Saliu 8.75 m
Shane Grimwade 9.25 m
Bryan Roberts 9.50 m
Andrew Wright 9.50 m
David Wilczek 9.75 m
Steven Jones 10.00 m
Ben Martin 11.00 m
Salvador Jurado 11.25 m
Richard Everson 12.00 m
Andrew Buttery 12.50 m
Peter Biggs 14.50 m
Mark Donovan 16.50 m
Alex Jefferies 17.50 m
John Turner 17.50 m
Cassie Neubauer 19.25 m
Ross Hill-Brown 19.75 m
Amanda Jurado 20.00 m
Eugene DeVizio 21.75 m
Trudy Schrapel 25.75 m
Gary Ferber 26.00 m
Sue Turner 26.50 m
Ray Earle 27.00 m


Mort Daly Running Foundation 120m Under 17
Ben Syrus 6.00 m
Calern Adams 8.00 m
Riley Bonner 8.00 m
Sam Whitbread 8.00 m
Chloe Baldwin 8.50 m
Cassidy Dorian 9.00 m
Keegan Knoll 9.00 m
Chris Lipman 9.00 m
Alex Martini 9.00 m
Joshua Mcloughney 9.00 m
Jess Williams 9.00 m
Lily Micklethwait 9.50 m
Zayn Butcher 10.00 m
Ryan Mayes 10.00 m
Jacobi Ponury 10.25 m
Lucy Mayo 10.50 m
Oliver Callahan 12.50 m
Lewis Abdul 13.00 m
Ryan Atkins 13.00 m
Joshua Biggs 13.25 m
Kyle Roberts 13.75 m
Bradley Harvey 15.00 m
Hayden Petherick 16.25 m
Scarlett Hosking 16.50 m
Joshua Stangroome 16.50 m
Amy McLatchie 17.75 m
Stephanie Bevan 18.00 m
Sophie Clarke 18.00 m
Alexandra Dingle 18.00 m
Briana Heinjus 18.00 m
Tom O Malley 18.00 m
Simone Rothe 18.00 m
Daniela Sassi 18.00 m
Casey Buchanan 20.00 m
Caitlin Francis 20.00 m
Mikayla Round 21.50 m
Lauren Payne 22.00 m
Emily Young 22.00 m
Jessica Oates 22.50 m
Sophie Bonner 23.00 m
Lachlan Burrows 23.00 m
Lily Drummond 23.50 m
Sarah Chigwidden 24.00 m
Niamh Henry 24.00 m
Mikaela Harmston 25.00 m
Sebastian Jurado 25.00 m
Emma Jury 26.00 m
Grainne Henry 26.25 m
Natassia Messent 26.25 m
Chelsea Gilbert 26.50 m
Jenni Partington 27.00 m
Carla Fox 28.00 m
Patricia Dimitrak 35.00 m


City of Charles Sturt 400m Open
Alex Bubner 8.00 m
Wallace Long-Scafidi 16.00 m
Luke Houlihan 20.00 m
Chris Innes-Wong 20.00 m
Chris Lipman 20.00 m
Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera 20.00 m
Josh Dawkins 22.00 m
Reece Turner 22.00 m
James Cibich 23.00 m
Jake Stangewitz 23.00 m
Jordan Tronnolone 23.00 m
Robert Killmier 24.00 m
Michael Nitschke 24.00 m
Jack Sutton 24.00 m
Damian Tohl 24.00 m
Robert Kane 26.00 m
Stephan Thiel 27.00 m
Nickolas Berry 30.00 m
Matthew Fallon 30.00 m
Christopher Ross 30.00 m
Brad Schutz 30.00 m
Ben Sieben 30.00 m
Ashley Brown 32.00 m
Jarrad Dartnall 32.00 m
Nicholas Giles 32.00 m
Salvador Jurado 32.00 m
David Palmer 32.00 m
Matthew Cousins 33.00 m
Brad Jones 35.00 m
Bradley Letton 35.00 m
David Girolamo 38.00 m
Simon Thompson 40.00 m
Mick Abbott 70.00 m


City of Charles Sturt 400m Women
Bridgid Connolly 19.00 m
Czenya Cavouras 25.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 28.00 m
Caitlin Sheehy 28.00 m
Emily Young 28.00 m
Courtney Evans 33.00 m
Lucy Buckley 34.00 m
Tamara Ng 34.00 m
Jessica Oates 34.00 m
Cloe Neophytou 36.00 m
Zoe Steele 38.00 m
Amy Robb 42.00 m
Demi Axford 46.00 m
Hettie Driscoll 50.00 m
Eleni Glouftsis 50.00 m
Lauren McHugh 54.00 m
Jenni Partington 54.00 m
Chantel Seaforth 56.00 m
Tayce Fry 58.00 m
Lisa Roberts 60.00 m
Trudy Schrapel 60.00 m
Aimee Lane 62.00 m
Courtney Ryder 64.00 m
Isabella Partington 65.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 80.00 m


Mort Daly Running Foundation 400m Under 20p

Deng Bulabek 8.00 m
Riley Bonner 15.00 m
Connor Verrall 16.00 m
Scarlett Hosking 20.00 m
Ellie Meich 20.00 m
Murlin Remphrey 20.00 m
Tess Fraser 24.00 m
Fraser Huggett 24.00 m
Tom Lancaster 24.00 m
Joshua Mcloughney 24.00 m
Jacobi Ponury 24.00 m
Jess Williams 24.00 m
Zayn Butcher 25.00 m
Niamh Henry 26.00 m
Grainne Henry 27.00 m
Connor McIvor 31.00 m
Corey Watkins 33.00 m
Hayden Rothe 35.00 m
Lachlan Sheffield 35.00 m
Kalen Turner 38.00 m
Lewis Abdul 40.00 m
Ryan Atkins 40.00 m
Kyle Roberts 42.00 m
Bradley Harvey 44.00 m
Joshua Biggs 49.00 m
Sarah Chigwidden 60.00 m
Lucy Mayo 60.00 m
Rachel Fisk 67.00 m
Simone Rothe 70.00 m
Jenni Partington 92.00 m
Patricia Dimitrak 110.00 m


SA Athletic League 400m Under 14
Sam Whitbread 0.00 m
Lachlan Burrows 35.00 m
Hamish Petherick 35.00 m
Casey Buchanan 40.00 m
Sophie Bonner 50.00 m
Molly Farmer 50.00 m
Emma Jury 50.00 m
Lauren Payne 50.00 m
Jordana Smith 50.00 m
Natassia Messent 60.00 m
Stephanie Bevan 70.00 m
Sebastian Jurado 80.00 m


City of Charles Sturt 800m Over 35
Mark Beveridge 0.00 m
Shane Thiele 0.00 m
Steven Wilson 30.00 m
Richard McMahon 40.00 m
Salvador Jurado 44.00 m
Andrew Wright 44.00 m
Gregor Dingwall 45.00 m
Geoff Troiano 45.00 m
Andrew Buttery 46.00 m
George Diakomichalis 50.00 m
David Miller 50.00 m
Bryan Roberts 54.00 m
Richard Everson 60.00 m
Peter Brennan 70.00 m
Cameron White 70.00 m
Chris Dimitrak 75.00 m
Ali Saliu 75.00 m
Daniel Tregenza 80.00 m
Mick Abbott 85.00 m
Grant Oates 100.00 m
Mark Barnett 105.00 m
Alex Jefferies 106.00 m
David Jelfs 106.00 m
Ian Reddaway 130.00 m
Amanda Jurado 140.00 m
Eugene DeVizio 145.00 m
Ray Earle 150.00 m
Mark Howson 150.00 m
John Hewton 180.00 m
Cheryl Zeuner 205.00 m
Debbie DeVizio 215.00 m


Cafe2u 800m Open
Robert Killmier 34.00 m
Ashley C Brown 36.00 m
Michael Nitschke 45.00 m
Ben Crawford 52.00 m
Tim Earle 55.00 m
Christopher Ross 60.00 m
Michael Hane 65.00 m
Tom Lancaster 65.00 m
Connor McIvor 65.00 m
Murlin Remphrey 66.00 m
Damian Robinson 66.00 m
Ashley Brown 74.00 m
Matthew Konetschka 74.00 m
Dane Fenton 80.00 m
Jordan Harvey 80.00 m
Bradley Kitto 80.00 m
Mark Beveridge 84.00 m
Matthew Fallon 88.00 m
Dillon Tee 90.00 m
Adam Cleary 95.00 m
Brad Jones 96.00 m
James Grant 110.00 m
Richard McMahon 110.00 m
Gregor Dingwall 115.00 m
Geoff Troiano 120.00 m


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2 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:05 am

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I'm not sure if there's been some typo's or some other transposition problems in the publication of the under 17's & Under 20's handicaps, so I guess we won't find out until Friday, but I'd like to think the published marks are not final. Otherwise there's going to be some massive gaps in the fields and some kids are going to be demoralised by how far they finish behind.


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3 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:33 pm

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What is NET time for the Under 20 400
and Under 17 120?

Some strange handicaps been allocated.

4 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:50 pm

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The Morphy Mongrel wrote:What is NET time for the Under 20 400
and Under 17 120?

Some strange handicaps been allocated.

It looks like the handicapper has tried to make a pretty even race.
Without knowing the athletes to well what are the strange handicaps, looks like the handicapper is trying to be pretty fair but am willing to be corrected if you can point out the strange ones.

5 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:31 pm

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From what i can see in the  u14 age group the handicaps look pretty fair, based on what half of the field ran in state champioships at the end of 2012/13 season. The Handicapper seems to have done a good job on information that would have been available at the time. However results from all schools on the weekend show that some athletes have vastly improved by 4 or 5 seconds (or aprox 30m) from last season. Just shows how hard the job would be for these age groups and how important it is to have net times to work too, and up to date pbs.



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6 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:01 pm

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Whispers wrote:
The Morphy Mongrel wrote:What is NET time for the Under 20 400
and Under 17 120?

Some strange handicaps been allocated.
It looks like the handicapper has tried to make a pretty even race.
Without knowing the athletes to well what are the strange handicaps, looks like the handicapper is trying to be pretty fair but am willing to be corrected if you can point out the strange ones.


You are right, you don't know the athletes too well. Or just plain stupid.
Girls on 400m marks in the 20s giving starts to lads off marks of 30m plus?
If getting beat by 80m is fair then, yes that's as fair as it gets.

7 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:08 am

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You may find that the coaches of some athletes have not submitted sufficient times and if this is the case the onus falls back on the coaches to do just that so everyone can be handicapped fairly or else the handicapper will air on the side of caution.
Interesting to see that those that have run over 400m in the Saal have been handicapped pretty fair and those that have not got any 400m SAAL form have indifferent marks.

8 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:13 am

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Unless you are the handicapper, which you are not, then that's a stupid generalisation. You have no idea what information was submitted.
And since when was it the coach's role to supply information to the handicapper of exisiting SAAL results? The female athletes involved have run in the SAAL and it's stupid to say the handicapper doesn't have enough info on them. A trained monkey can see girls like Meich and the Henrys can't give starts to male athletes like Corey Watkins, Sheffield, Atkins Harvey & co.
I think the marks will be changed on Friday, because they just can't stay as is.

9 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:06 am

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Agree that those girls arent far enough out in the marks and need a bit more but theres no way that they should be GIFTED good marks either.
Its good to see that those athletes that are supporting SAAL events reap the benefits of running.You will find that those athletes that have turned up for Under 20 400m events previously are well in the race.
Henry runs off around the sixties in 300m under 20 races so shouldnt be on anything less than that but needs to turn up and run in the longer events to get her mark out further.By running in 70m and 120m doesnt give you the right to have an inflated mark over another distance.
Full marks to the handicapper of the juniors, last week we watched a finish of the under 17 200m where less than a second separated all the finalists and an under 14 70m race where less than half a second separated the finalists at the finish.Hes not going to get it right all the time but give him time and those not making the finals will be given a chance.
Last week he may have been riding on the back of Leons handicapping from the past season but at least hes put his hand up when others didnt.

10 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:40 am

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Whispers wrote:Agree that those girls arent far enough out in the marks and need a bit more but theres no way that they should be GIFTED good marks either.
Its good to see that those athletes that are supporting SAAL events reap the benefits of running.You will find that those athletes that have turned up for Under 20 400m events previously are well in the race.
Henry runs off around the sixties in 300m under 20 races so shouldnt be on anything less than that but needs to turn up and run in the longer events to get her mark out further.By running in 70m and 120m doesnt give you the right to have an inflated mark over another distance.
Full marks to the handicapper of the juniors, last week we watched a finish of the under 17 200m where less than a second separated all the finalists and an under 14 70m race where less than half a second separated the finalists at the finish.Hes not going to get it right all the time but give him time and those not making the finals will be given a chance.
Last week he may have been riding on the back of Leons handicapping from the past season but at least hes put his hand up when others didnt.
     

Issue is not about the handicapper himself. Agree the Under 17 200 was great to watch last week.
The marks are probably just oversight errors an will be fixed up.
I do have a problem with your argument that an athlete has to compete in a Under 20 400m to get a competitive mark. If net time is 49.00 seconds, putting a girl on 20 or 27m in an under 20 400, where males are on 30 to 49, just to give her starting mark and to have a look at her is irresponsible. Mum and Dad don't want to see their girl humiliated. Something around 60m should be the minimum.

11 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:05 pm

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Like you have said the errors will be corrected, but 60m minimum arent gunna fix it.
To expect the girls to run off 60m min when so close to the boys in marks and then back up and make the dias isnt going to happen.
Maybe most girls would need to be in excess of 70m to keep mummy and daddy happy.
The whole idea is run in the races ,over the distances when you have no chance when they are available and your marks will go out to a competative stage like the front markers have.

12 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:30 pm

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Some very generous marks in the under 20 400. My tip is it will be won in a faster time than the open. Could go under 48.

13 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:46 pm

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120 mens...SandersonMilera,Bubner,Thomas
120W......Inglis,H.Openshaw,Buckley
880.......Earle,Harvey,Fallon
400...Cousins,Giles,Nitschke
400W....Glouftsis,Driscoll,Fry
400 under20........Abdul,Atkins,Partington
035 800m.......Wilson,Howson,Jurado

14 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:02 pm

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Junior athletes shouldn't need to run for years until they get a competitive mark because then they won't be a junior. They all should be given competitive marks straight away (only in the juniors of course). That way you keep them all interested in the sport. We should adopt the VAL system for juniors in junior races and make them all OGA athletes

15 Re: Henley Handicaps - Friday 1st Nov 2013 on Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:28 pm

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Spot on Superman.

400 U/20 marks been changed. New marks announced tonight.
Good work by SAAL to make things right. Look forward to a good night's running.

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