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Men's 4 x 400m - Where have all the quarter runners gone?

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Men's 4 x 400m - Where have all the quarter runners gone?

The Australian domestic summer season generally starts in October - say October 1st and goes until the last major competition, traditionally the national open championships, which this year concluded on Sunday 14th April.

I can't recall a time when not a single male 400m athete had not broken 46s at some stage through the domestic season. This year the fastest time recorded by anyone was Alex Beck's 46.18secs in winning the national title on Saturday night.

This is a worrying sign for the continuance of the men's 4 x 400m relay program. With Steve Solomon opting out of the domestic season due to studies & training in the USA, Australia's lack of depth has been brutally exposed.

In 2012 we had Steve Solomon (45.99), John Steffensen (45.61) & Ben Offereins (45.96) all break 46s during the Australian summer season.

In 2011, we had Solomon (45.58) & Offereins (45.85) go under 46secs.

In 2010, the year Australia won the Commonwealth gold medal for the men's 4 x 400m in Dehli, we had Offereins (44.86), Wroe (45.40), Steffensen (45.72), Joel Milburn (45.75) & Clay Watkins (45.95) all break 46secs during the Aussie summer as well as a 19 year old Kevin Moore run 46.13.

Our 400m stocks looked great and it seemed only a matter of time before the next wave came through. But that hasn't quite worked out.

In the last three years, Steve Solomon is the only new entrant to the sub 46s club. Besides Solomon, the closest anyone has come since 2010 is Alexander Beck who ran 46.07 in April 2012.

This season, no athlete has come close to going inside 46secs. There's a few around the 46.3 mark including Joshua Ralph & Craig Burns and several others in the mid 46s range, but no one who really stands out as likely to go under 46sec by the end of 2013.

The Australian 4 x 400m team struggled at the Olympics with an ordinary 3-03.17. The team consisted of Solomon, Offereins, Steffenson & Brendan Cole. Both Steffensen & Cole are in their 30's and unlikely to be in futute 4 x 400m teams, while 27 year old Offereins has struggled for form for over 12 months. He only split 46.3 at the Olympic Games.

Sean Wroe has contested the 400m sparingly in recent years and has not broken 46s since the World Uni Games in China in August 2011. His best time in 2012 was 46.38sec, and he failed to get a start in the Olympic relay squad. He has slightly improved in 2013 with a 46.35 for 5th at the nationals, but he is still a long way from his best shape (45.07s in 2009) and one wonders at the age of 28 if he will ever get back to the sort of shape that made him a regular member of an elite 4x400m squad.

The normally dependable Joel Milburn scraped into the London Olympic 4 x 400m squad with a "last minute" 46.54 in Brisbane before running 46.17 in Belgium last July. The last time Milburn ran into the 45's was at Dehli in 2010 when he ran 45.71sec. That's over two and a half years ago. Milburn hasn't run this season and (similar to Wroe) at 27 one wonders whether he will ever get back to the form that saw him run 44.80 in 2008 and be a walk up start in a relay team.

Kevin Moore broke through as a 19 year old with a huge PB of 46.13 in 2010, but since then has stagnated with a best time in 2011 of 46.17 and in 2012 of 46.25. Moore has not run a 400m this year and appears to be getting further away from sub 46secs. However at 22 he is yet to hit his peak so there is still plenty of time for him to improve on his PB.

Kurt Mulcahy (PB: 45.84 in 2009) & Dylan Grant (PB 45.69 in 2008) both smashed through the sub 46secs as teenagers before pursuing other sports and have now returned to the track. However neither has got close to a sub 46sec time since. Again they are relatively young so with the right training & determination they are capable of getting into the 45's again.

Alex Beck is statistically the best talent coming through behind Steve Solomon. With a 46.07sec PB in 2012 and a recent national title in 46.18, he is around the mark needed to launch a crack at a big PB in the sub 46s range in the next 12 months.

There's some promising teenagers like Jaryd Buchan (46.81 in 2012) who have the potential to join Solomon in a future relay team, but the lack of any big breakthrough this summer has one wondering if we have enough of them to carry on the success of the 4 x 400m teams from the past.



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All those 400 Runners are still there Youngy,maybe the problem is that the 400Meters is one tough event and it has an adverse effect on the individual,if you are looking for reasons why they are not running under 46 this could be one of them,am certain there are other reasons also.The names you have mentioned are very good runners and should be confident & able to get down under that 46 second barrier soon with the quality training these guys must do.

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The relay result in London was crap for a country like Australia with a strong 400 relay heritage. Qld track Classic showed how much we've dipped. Oz team ran 3.07.
Is it worth sending a team to Moscow world champs if they are going to get smashed in the heats? will need at least 3 guys under 46.
So who apart from Solomon, GT will break 46 in 2013?

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Beck and Moore must be close!

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While I agree the 400m was a bit light on last week in Sydney, I think it's worth remembering it is a post Olympic year. A lot of the London Olympic athletes are coming off a minimal base and haven't hit their full form. You can see this across most track events. The guys looking like sub 46 in the futur are Solomon, beck and Ralph. Moore looked the goods a few years ago, but only stepped on the track once this season and that was a 100m run through in a 200m, a week before nationals. Very untested under steffensen's coaching. However, think back to Athens when the 4x400m just made the final and still managed to win the silver in the final from no where. AA have made relays a priority event. if the 400m looks weak in 12months time, expect some 200m runners to be fast tracked into a 400m training squad.

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Just for the record, my original post was not in any way a slight against any particular 400m athlete or coach. It was to highlight how our 400m stocks have dipped this year. As soleoldguy says - it could well be that it's the normal drop off expected post Olympics.

It's great news for athletes like Alex Beck & Joshua Ralph to be selected for their first major national team.

Alex Beck's appeal aganist his non-selection for the Olympic 4x400m relay squad last year was dismissed. So it's a testament to him to bounce back, win the national title and earn his spot for Moscow.

Joshua Ralph has hit his best ever shape and its no mean feat to knock over someone of Sean Wroe's calibre.

The reality is that right now - the best men's 4 x 400m squad available would struggle to break 3-05 (Four athletes averaging 46.25sec). And I doubt the selectors will commit to a team that is not going to break 3-05 (IAAF World Championship entry standard) by the time they sit down to confirm the World Champs athletic team. So there's still a lot of work to do to get the team up to world championship standard.

Just a couple of athletes inside 46s and two others in the low 46's would be sufficiently competitive.

Let's hope they get there.


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Any recent news on how the 400 guys are travelling?
Only 6 weeks to the Worlds and not much info on the form of our 400 relay runners.

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Joshua Ralph ran in Cork, Ireland on Tuesday 2nd July. 47.44s. Ralph is running in Brussels on Saturday.

Alex Carew & Matt Lynch are running in the 400m at the World Universiade – Kazan (RUSSIA) starting on Sunday. I believe the WU athletics will be televised on Foxtel Eurosport channel 511.



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Event 3  Men 400 Metre Sprint
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   Name                    Year Team                    Finals  Points
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 1 Kind Butler               89 USA                      45.75        
 2 Wayde van Nierkerk        92 South Africa             46.48        
 3 James Bowie               89 Scotland                 46.52        
 4 Somto Eruchie             86 England                  47.00        
 5 Joshua Ralph              91 Australia                47.44        
 6 Pieter Conradie           94 South Africa             48.24        
 7 Tim Crowe                 91 Ireland                  49.00        
-- David Riley               84 England                     DQ

Still not much happening with Ben Offereins, Alex Beck & Steve Solomon.


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Brussels Grand Prix
6 July 2013

400 Metres
1  STEEL_Edino JAM 46.29
2 Oyowe,_Will 46.60
3 Borlee,_Dylan 46.82
4 MURPHY_Brian IRE 46.88
5 RALPH_Joshua AUS 46.91
6  Thys,_Seppe 47.16
7 Destatte,_Arnaud 47.26
8 Bouckaert,_Jente 49.55


World Uni Games
Kazan, Russia
7th July 2013


400m Heats
Both Matt Lynch and Alex Carew comfortably qualified for the semis. Lynch 10th overall with 47.29 & Carew 21st with 48.67.


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World Uni Games
400m Semi Finals


SEMIFINAL 1 Start Time: 19:40 (Tues - 1.40am EST)
Lane Bib Name Ctry code Date of Birth PB SB
2 66 BOLELE Mothusi BOT 10 FEB 1987
3 79 OLIVEIRA Pedro BRA 17 FEB 1992 45.52 45.62
4 708 DE SWARDT Jacques RSA 12 AUG 1992 45.87 45.87
5 429 KIMURA Jun JPN 26 MAY 1991 46.00 46.00
6 103 HARPER Tyler Daniel CAN 28 AUG 1989 45.60 46.10
7 19 LYNCH Mathew AUS 24 JAN 1986 46.42 46.53
8 667 OMELKO Rafal POL 16 JAN 1989 46.24 46.24

SEMIFINAL 2 Start Time: 19:45 (1.45am EST)
Lane Bib Name Ctry code Date of Birth PB SB
1 52 DILL Shaquille Allen Robert BER 4 SEP 1993 47.16
2 560 SUBRAMANIAM Kannathasan MAS 10 APR 1991 47.48
3 983 CAN Yavuz TUR 23 FEB 1987 46.30 46.53
4 730 VAN NIEKERK Wayde RSA 15 JUL 1992 45.09 45.09
5 777 KRASNOV Vladimir RUS 19 AUG 1990 45.12 45.69
6 385 GREGAN Brian IRL 31 DEC 1989 45.53 45.53
7 451 YAMASAKI Kengo JPN 30 JUL 1992 46.00 46.00
8 511 ZACESTS Martins LAT 16 AUG 1990 48.42 48.42

SEMIFINAL 3 Start Time: 19:50 (2.00am EST)
Lane Bib Name Ctry code Date of Birth PB SB
1 198 HERRERA Jesus Antonio COL 10 AUG 1989
2 986 GUZEL Mehmet TUR 20 AUG 1991 46.18 47.30
3 1025 TUGUMISIRIZE Emmanuel UGA 30 NOV 1988 45.82 45.82
4 416 MAITLAND Nicholas JAM 27 NOV 1989 45.79 45.79
5 76 HENRIQUES Andreson BRA 3 MAR 1992 45.16 45.16
6 597 NARIB Ernst NAM 27 MAY 1990 46.80 46.80
7 12 CAREW Alexander AUS 19 DEC 1989 46.63 46.71
8 85 AYESU-ATTAH Benjamin Kweku CAN 28 APR 1993 46.53 46.69


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Matt Lynch ran 47.16 to finish 6th in the first semi final and Alex Carew ran 48.47 to finish 6th in the third semi.

The slowest athlete to make the final was the 3rd placegetter in Lynch's semi - Tyler Harper (CAN) who ran 46.26.

Rankings after the Semis.
1 385 GREGAN Brian IRL 45.91 Q
2 667 OMELKO Rafal POL 45.94 Q PB
3 79 OLIVEIRA Pedro BRA 45.96 Q
4 777 KRASNOV Vladimir RUS 46.03 Q
5 416 MAITLAND Nicholas JAM 46.04 Q
6 76 HENRIQUES Andreson BRA 46.17 Q
7 1025 TUGUMISIRIZE Emmanuel UGA 46.19 q
8 103 HARPER Tyler Daniel CAN 46.26 q
9 730 VAN NIEKERK Wayde RSA 46.39
10 983 CAN Yavuz TUR 46.65
11 708 DE SWARDT Jacques RSA 46.68
12 429 KIMURA Jun JPN 46.84
13 451 YAMASAKI Kengo JPN 46.90
14 85 AYESU-ATTAH Benjamin Kweku CAN 47.11
15 19 LYNCH Mathew AUS 47.16
16 986 GUZEL Mehmet TUR 47.41
17 52 DILL Shaquille Allen Robert BER 47.90
18 597 NARIB Ernst NAM 47.96
19 560 SUBRAMANIAM Kannathasan MAS 48.34
20 12 CAREW Alexander AUS 48.47
21 511 ZACESTS Martins LAT 48.58
22 66 BOLELE Mothusi BOT 49.11
23 198 HERRERA Jesus Antonio 49.70


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Alex Beck ran 47.35 at the DownUnder Meet at QSAC on Saturday. Fingers crossed for some improving results in the coming weeks.

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Thanks Wallsy.

Wow, Beck is a fair bit off the mark. As the fastest quarter runner from our summer Beck is pivotal to the relay team.

Some headaches for the selectors with no-one cementing a spot with any world champs class results of late.

Really hope a couple of the lads reel off some sub 46.5 times.

Be interesting to see what happens with young Sam Baird - a decent PB under 47s in the World Youth champs and he might find himself in Moscow next month.


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Beck looked good and we will know more this weekend after his second run in the Qld winter series.

Solomon needs to find some improvement, whilst I personally am a big fan of Tristan Thomas as a relay runner.

But couldn't agree more Youngy regarding Baird. He just ran 46.97 in his heat in the Ukraine with his standard last 100 kick. If he goes close to 46.5 in the semi or final I think he makes sense as the addition to the squad.

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Alex Beck has the potential to drop a quick time, just needs a couple of runs under his belt.

Ben Offereins is now in Europe and should open up with something decent.

Solomon is our best quarter athlete and should run first leg.

I agree on Tristan Thomas. If he is in mid 49s hurdles shape, he is probably in sub 47s flat speed. He is an experienced and well performed relay runner and should make up the quartet.

Unless Craig Burns or Sean Wroe drop a sub 47s time soon, it's difficult to see how they could be added to the squad.

Sam Baird is well worth considering as a back up, if no-one else puts their hand up.


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Meeting international d'athletisme de la Provence de Liege, BELGIUM
Wednesday 10th July 2013


300m Men
1  BORLEE JONATHAN 88 BEL 32.31
2  BUTLER KIND 88 USA 32.39
3 MCQUAY TONY 90 USA 32.40
4 GORDON LALONDE 88 TRI 32.71
5 VERBURG DAVID 91 USA 33.02
6 MATTHEWS PETER 89 JAM 33.49
7 OFFEREINS BEN 86 AUS 33.52
8 GILLET ANTOINE 88 BEL 33.61

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Meeting international d'athletisme de la Provence de Liege, BELGIUM
Wednesday 10th July 2013


400m Hurdles Men
1 GAYMON JUSTIN 86 USA 49.68
2 GREEN LEFORD 86 JAM 50.14
3 WHYTE ANNSERT 87 JAM 50.77
4 THOMAS TRISTAN 86 AUS 51.13
5 NECHYPORENKO DENYS 90 UKR 51.86
6  HAMMAN LE ROUX 92 RSA 52.28
7 HAMMAN MUNTINGH 90 RSA 52.40
8 FERREIRA JOAO 86 POR

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Matt Beckenham filmed some of the events from the meet at Liege, here is the 300m featuring Ben Offereins.

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World Uni Games
4 x 400m Relay


Heat 1
1 Canada 3-07.14 Q
2 Japan 3-10.39 Q
3 Australia 3-12.32 Q
4 Botswana 3-13.72 q
5 Uganda 3-16.53 q

Australian team consisted of Ian Dewhurst, Matt Lynch, Alex Carew & Tom Gamble


Heat 2
1 Russia 3-06.94 Q
2 Turkey 3-09.84 Q
3 South Africa 3-09.08 Q
4 Oman 3-19.50
5 Sri Lanka 3-28.23
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World Uni Games
Men's 4x400m FINAL


Rank Lane Name CC React FN Result Remark
1 6 RUSSIAN FEDERATION
( DYLDIN Maksim, BURIAK Dmitrii, KASHEFRAZOV Radel, KRASNOV Vladimir ) RUS 0.196 3:03.70

2 3 CANADA
( AYESU-ATTAH Benjamin Kweku, RODNEY Brendon Justin, ROBERTSON Michael Peter John, HARPER Tyler Daniel ) CAN 0.173 3:05.26

3 8 SOUTH AFRICA
( CONRADIE Pieter, DE SWARDT Jacques, BENEKE Pieter Christian, VAN NIEKERK Wayde ) RSA 0.164 3:06.19

4 5 TURKEY
( KOCABEYOGLU Bugrahan, KILIC Halit, GUZEL Mehmet, CAN Yavuz ) TUR 0.230 3:06.36

5 4 JAPAN
( KIMURA Jun, NOZAWA Keisuke, KAWAMOTO Sho, YAMASAKI Kengo ) JPN 0.168 3:06.58

6 7 AUSTRALIA
( DEWHURST Ian, LYNCH Mathew, CAREW Alexander, GAMBLE Tom ) AUS 0.197 3:08.82


7 2 BOTSWANA
( MOTUKISI Keene Charles, DAVID Busang Siyane, LAGAMANG Daniel, BOLELE Mothusi ) BOT 0.175 3:15.75

DQ - 1 UGANDA
( TUGUMISIRIZE Emmanuel, ANYWAR Johnson, MWIDU Noah Samuel, BINGI Daniel )

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Ben Offereins runs his first 400m race in Europe this season.

HEUSDEN, Netherlands
13th July 2013


400m Men ; Official result

Photo finish picture
Rank Lane ID Name PB Team Cat Result Info
1 4 186 VERBURG DAVID 44.75 USA Sen 45.43
2 3 181 BUTLER KIND 45.43 USA Sen 45.50
3 5 180 BORLEE JONATHAN 44.43 BEL Sen 45.62
4 6 183 GORDON LALONDE 44.52 TRI Sen 46.08
5 7 185 MATTHEWS PETER 45.62 JAM Sen 46.45
6 2 184 KRÜGER ERIC 45.77 GER Sen 46.70
7 1 258 OFFEREINS BEN 44.86 AUS Sen 46.86
8 8 182 GILLET ANTOINE 46.03 BEL Sen 47.17

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                    QA Winter Series T&F Meet #3                      
           State Athletics Facility, Nathan  - 14/07/2013  
         

Men 400 Metre
Section  1                                                            
 1 Burns, Craig              25 Qeii                     47.45      
 2 Mohamed, Brown            21 Qeii                     50.70        
 3 Bruce, Jack               19 Unq                      51.90        
 4 Carroll, Sam              17 Qeii                     52.52        
 5 Miles, Trent              15 Red                      53.55        
 6 Le Roux, Juan-Pierre      21 QA                       54.70

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2013 Results - Guldensporenmeeting - Flanders Cup Kortrijk, BELGIUM
14th July 2013



400m men
1 Mcdonald Rusheen 92 JAM 45.56
2 9081 Makwala Isaac 86 BOT 45.97
3 9064 Ketlogetswe Thapelo 91 BOT 46.32
4 9236 Beck Alex 92 AUS 46.63
5 9224 Ngwigwa Obakeng 85 BOT 47.07
6 9240 Ralph Joshua 92 AUS 47.20

Solid first up run in Europe for Alex Beck.

His 46.63s is the fastest time recorded in the lead up to the world champs by the nominated relay runners.

Hopefully some of the team members can break into the low 46s range soon.

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Morton Games
Morton Stadium, Santry
Dublin, IRELAND
17th July 2013



Men's 400 m
Place  Name               Club                           Time
1  Renny Quow           Trinidad & Tobago             45.77
2  Manteo Mitchell     USA                           45.82
3  Steve Soloman       Australia                     46.18
4  Mark Ujakpor         Spain                         46.98
5  Brian Murphy         IRL/Crusaders                 47.13
6  Rory Evans           GBR                           47.56
7  Eoin Mulhall         Crusaders A.C.                 48.24
8  Rick Beardsell       USA                           48.68

Solomon is running in Israel on the weekend. Fair to say that the first sub 46s time by an Aussie in 2013 is on the cards.

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Thanks to Matt Beckenham's YouTube update, Alex Beck has run 46.45 in Belgium.

4x400m starting to look a little bit more promising.





Ben Offereins ran 47.38s in heat 3.

Rank Lane ID Name PB Team Cat Result Info Video
1 6 1516 Gillet Antoine   RESC Sen 46.81  
2 4 9999 Offereins Ben  AUS  Sen 47.38  
3 5 2788 Thys Seppe   ACME Sen 47.65  
4 8 2835 Vanhaeren Tim   KAPE Sen 49.06  
5 9 2855 Van Den Oord Nolan   DEIN Sen 50.21  
6 2 177 Hinnekens Simon   USBW Jun 50.92  
7 3 3072 Abts Willem   DCLA Sen 52.28  
7 1500 Ennamir Mohssine   WS  Sen DNF



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Alex Beck ran 46.09s in the Belgium champs - now has the fastest time by an Aussie for 2013 (at least until Steve Solomon runs next....)

Belgium National Champs
Men's 400m FINAL


Rank Lane ID Name PB Team Cat Result Info Video
1 4 1555 Borlee Kevin   WS  Sen 44.73 BK CB 1
2 8 1553 Borlee Dylan   WS  Sen 45.80 BK CB 2
3 6 1566 Oyowe Will   USBW Sen 45.88 BK CB 3
4 7 1516 Gillet Antoine   RESC Sen 45.98  
5 5 9990 Beck Alex  AUS  Sen 46.09  
6 9 1571 Destatte Arnaud   WS  Sen 46.66  
7 1 3069 Matthys Arnout   VOLH Sen 46.87  
8 3 1019 Pecceu David   ACLO Sen 46.89  
9 2 2788 Thys Seppe   ACME Sen 47.50




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Steve Solomon runs in the heats of the 400m at the Maccabiah Games in Tel Aviv tonight. It is scheduled for 8.00pm Monday night which is 3.00am Tuesday morning Aust EST.

The 400m final is on Wednesday (Aust Thurs morning).

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Not sure why, but within a couple of days, Alex Beck bravely backed up for a 400m race after his excellent run at the Belgium champs. He finished last in 47.02. As he said - valuable experience in what his body can handle.

Loughborough  European Athletic Permit Meeting
Tuesday 23rd July 2013
Results - Men



400m Men Race 1
1 Nick Ekelund-Arenander DENMARK 45.68
2 Michael Bingham Birchfield Harriers 45.79
3 Richard Buck City of York 46.33
4 Richard Strachan Trafford 46.53
5 Mame-Ibra Anne FRANCE 46.77
6 Erison Hurtault DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 46.82
7 Alex Beck AUSTRALIA 47.02


Alex Beck tweeted after the race:
"Learnt a valuable lesson today. 3x400s over 4 days across 3 countries is pretty tough. Tired run tonight, but happy with 1st Europe season"



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Maccabiah Games
400m FINAL

Wednesday 24th July 2013

Place Bib no. Name Club Result Score
1   Sanford Donald Te Aviv 45.65    
2  Solomon Steven AUSTRALIA 46.24    
3  Lubbe Christian SOUTH AFRICA 48.60    
4 Itay Shamir   Jerusalem 50.43  
5  Eliakim Roi Athletic Oren Hasharon 50.73    
6 Kollwitz Dor  Athletic Oren Hasharon 51.62    
7  Davis Nicholas GREAT BRITAIN 52.16  

After the race: Steve Solomon tweeted:
Tough run in Israel for 2nd 46.2. Went out to hard and could not hold on. Thanks to all those who came to support. Leave for London tomorrow

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