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Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch

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1 Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:35 pm

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http://www.stawellgift.com/2013/02/gift-to-be-handicapped-between-scratch-and-12-metres-in-2013/


Gift to be handicapped between scratch and 12 metres in 2013
Date: 12th February 2013

Following its regular annual meeting with the Victorian Athletic League (VAL) on the weekend, the Stawell Athletic Club Committee last night confirmed it has agreed to the VAL’s recommendation to increase the limit of the 2013 Australia Post Stawell Gift to 12 metres.

The Stawell Athletic Club also confirmed that no runner will receive a handicap of behind 0 metres (scratch), confirming that the 2013 Australia Post Stawell Gift will be handicapped between 0m and 12m.

All other handicap limits for other events are as per the previously circulated information.

The Stawell Athletic Club was disappointed that no representative of the Victorian Runners and Trainer’s Association (VRTA) attended, nor was there any summation of the recent VRTA survey provided to the meeting.

cali mike

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Field lifted 2m?

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No a 12m limit does not necessarily mean a 2m lift to the field. It means a minimum 2m lift, but my guess is it will be more. Means more front markers will find it tougher. If it is a 3m lift then runners normally off 9.25m or more will suffer.

It will be interesting to see what the final handicaps will be.

Extreme Torque


The field lift for Powell on his PB from current marks would be at least 6-7m.
However they wont lift the field that much, it will probably be 4m which would put Ross on 2.5m after he to is lifted 4m from his current -1.5m
Powell will still beat Ross easily giving him 2.5m and Powell will then still be handicapped to win by about 2.5m or more. Technically Ross needs 5m from Powell.
Anything less than a 4m field lift from current marks will make the race farcical and so one sided in favour of Powell.
Runners currently in front of 8m will all be squashed on 12m. Everyone currently behind 8m needs a further 4m just to make it look like a contest.
Unfortunately for our front markers the limit is 12m this year so it is bad luck for everyone in front of 8m because everyone else behind that needs at least 4m. Runners like Stubbs and Mott will all need to be in front of 7m this year to make it look like a contest and they still wont beat him over 120m from those marks.
I am looking forward to watching the big man fly and chase down quality runners like Ross, Mott and Stubbs and then our middle markers who will all be squashed on the limit to win by about 2m in an awesome time of about 11.80.

The Sheik

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Extreme Torque wrote:The field lift for Powell on his PB from current marks would be at least 6-7m.
However they wont lift the field that much, it will probably be 4m which would put Ross on 2.5m after he to is lifted 4m from his current -1.5m
Powell will still beat Ross easily giving him 2.5m and Powell will then still be handicapped to win by about 2.5m or more. Technically Ross needs 5m from Powell.
Anything less than a 4m field lift from current marks will make the race farcical and so one sided in favour of Powell.
Runners currently in front of 8m will all be squashed on 12m. Everyone currently behind 8m needs a further 4m just to make it look like a contest.
Unfortunately for our front markers the limit is 12m this year so it is bad luck for everyone in front of 8m because everyone else behind that needs at least 4m. Runners like Stubbs and Mott will all need to be in front of 7m this year to make it look like a contest and they still wont beat him over 120m from those marks.
I am looking forward to watching the big man fly and chase down quality runners like Ross, Mott and Stubbs and then our middle markers who will all be squashed on the limit to win by about 2m in an awesome time of about 11.80.


Hey E T call home - You belong on another planet. Living in lala land if you think Powell will run 11.80 at Central Park.

Powell runs 12.00 or better he deserves to win.

Lift should be no more than 2.50m. There's pro-runners foxing for Stawell NOW who are already capable of running 12.1 off their marks. Give them a 4m lift and Powell won't touch em.

Imagine the ridicule for pro-running if Powell is beaten in a semi in 11.9!

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I agree with "The Sheik" the limit should be between 2m - 3m no more no less. Give people any more than a 3m lift and they will make a joke out of the gift!

Extreme Torque


Remember that the pro runners ran from their current marks at Ballarat couldn't basically run faster than 12.55. Ross beat all but about 4 of them from minus 1.5m. This shows that the field need to be lifted this difference of 1.5m and then a further 2.5 for Powell. This equals 4m total from current marks but effectively only a further 2.5 if Ross and the field were currently marked from Scratch. That means Ross would be on 2.5m and therefore capable of 12.0-12.10 (his fastest run from scratch is 12.30 when he won). Powell is clearly faster than 2.5m than Ross on a bad day. Powell will run 12.0 on a bad day. He is capable of 11.65 at his best. Powell will smash Ross giving him 2.5 but the field need a further 1.5m from Ross based on the Ballarat results. A 4m lift for the field would put the current pro runners about 12.10-12.20 which is still not near Powell on his bad run.
A total of 4m is the right amount from the Ballarat marks meaning the best performed pro runner will probably still not break 12.10 whilst Ross and Powell are both capable of 12.10 or quicker from the 2.5m (for Ross) and scratch (for Powell) respectively. This would create a great race with the most likely result still being Powell the victor.

Anything less than 4m would just hand Powell the race and it would be very boring to watch because the pro runners will not break 12.20 and maybe only one or two might break 12.15. I would love to see Powell chase Ross off 2.5m and then chase Stubbs off 7m and then chase Greenough on 12m. Now that is a race worth watching. Powell would still win in 12.0 are just under with 2nd place about 1m back in 12.10.

A 4m lift from current marks is obviously the right call for the fairness of all pro runners, and for the event to be still be a spectacle and a contest. Powell will still win with a 4m lift and that would be historic! Anything less than 4m and I wont even feel like I am watching a handicapped race.
With Powell in the field from scratch 12m doesn't accomodate the majority of runners which is shame fro the normal front markers when it is clear Powell will run 12.0 or faster. There will be no smokey this year because all runners currenly from 8m or more will all need to be squasshed on 12m in fairness to everyone behind them who need an additional 4m from their current mark when racing Powell.

I want to see Powell win, but the normal pro runner still has to have a chance to help make it a race and 4m is the right number.

Clearly Cheetah Mang and Shiek haven't been to Victoria and watched pro running here at the moment to understand where the current marks are and the current times. If you had, you would understand that a 4m lift is a no brainer from current marks with Powell then on scratch and then Ross on 2.5m.

Looking forward to Powell winning, but it must be a contest and only 4m will achieve that. Powell will still be favoured on PB's with a 4m lift. This will be the greatest gift of all time and Asafa will be the King!

8 12 metre limit stawell on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:49 pm

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Evil or Very Mad last year frater was on scratch,can anyone quote times asafa ran at london and also frater,
it would be simple enough then to work out new handicap for field,it would seem that frater time was sorta ok having been run out in semi by narrow margin but only problem being times ran by tiu and steffenson in semi who broke down in final,last year final should have been quicker
also regard to sac not having represention from vrta regarding input re handicap limit stawell/???? did val have the reults of survey prior to meeting vrta say that they did What a Face

The Sheik

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ET honestly man, you haven't seen too many Stawell Gifts if you don't think there's athletes training for Stawell who can already run 12.1 off their current marks. 4.0m lift and someone will go down in sub 11.7 and won't be Asafa.
Go back to 2009 and imagine, field gets lifted 4 for Powell and Stubbs is on 11. Go back to 2008 and Jamieson goes to 10. Two guys who would have run 11.6!
Powell wouldn't got near them. Powell is no moral even if the field goes up 2.5.
Comparing recent gifts to Stawell is like comparing some bush picnic meets to the Cox Plate.

Extreme Torque


There are no athletes that are the quality of Stubbs and Jamieson currently sitting on 6m or more at the moment so there is no fear of someone going down in 11.8 or quicker if the field are lifted. If you have seen the field running around you would have noticed that they are all exposed and anyone that isn't exposed is tightly marked. There are no smokies that will break 12.10 even with a 4m lift. With a 4m lift most will still struggle to break 12.30. Powell is guaranteed to run 12.0 or quicker. He is capable off his PB's off 11.66. Our field need to be handicapped to run about 12.10. Powell always beats Frater by more than 3m and usually the 8th place in major international finals is at least 5m behind Powell. Ross can't even make the semis at large international meets so imagine how far he is behind Powell.

Powell will run 12.0 or quicker and at the moment no one is within 4-5m of that sort of performance.

11 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:09 pm

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Unless they are intimately aware of the capabilities of every athlete entered for Stawell, no one can guarantee there's a runner out there who is capable of running 12 or better off his present handicap. Stubbs wasn't expected to break 12.0 before 09'Stawell. But he smashed it.

Whispers


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WHAT IF

If Powell is unable to race for some reason or another after handicaps have been released.
Would handicaps remain
Would Ross be pulled back to scratch and everyone else accordingly.
Would those athletes who didnt nominate because they would be disadvantaged by the lifts be given another chance to nominate.
I know its all heresay but WHAT IF

13 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:08 am

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Here we go again Stawell Athletic Club forgetting who made Stawell what it is the normal average runner who runs from November thru to Easter pays the high entry fees and all the average runner wants is a chance to have a win at Stawell.

14 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:18 am

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What If:

It turns out that SAC is a branch of Jump Media
Powell enjoys drinking froths with the local girls more than starting behind the Hall of Fame
ASADA actually decide to test athletes
The track is not 120m
The bookies pick the winner
There's more than one coffee truck in a venue with 15,000 coffee obsessed people
First Aid gives out ice without requiring a 15page questionnaire
DizzyRunner doesn't get sunburnt, windburnt and hypothermia on the same day
Children decide not to break up the hay-bales in the first hour at Central Park
The vanilla slice at Waaacks bakery is NOT the best in Victoria
The post-Stawell beer mile combines with the post-Stawell nudie-run, to create the post-Stawell Nudie-Beer-Mile
Athletes decide not to stop at KFC on the drive back to Melbourne
The 3200m is not a farce
A Veteran does not run a 300m quicker than he ran when he was 18

15 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:39 am

Piez


DizzyRunner wrote:What If:

It turns out that SAC is a branch of Jump Media
Powell enjoys drinking froths with the local girls more than starting behind the Hall of Fame
ASADA actually decide to test athletes
The track is not 120m
The bookies pick the winner
There's more than one coffee truck in a venue with 15,000 coffee obsessed people
First Aid gives out ice without requiring a 15page questionnaire
DizzyRunner doesn't get sunburnt, windburnt and hypothermia on the same day
Children decide not to break up the hay-bales in the first hour at Central Park
The vanilla slice at Waaacks bakery is NOT the best in Victoria
The post-Stawell beer mile combines with the post-Stawell nudie-run, to create the post-Stawell Nudie-Beer-Mile
Athletes decide not to stop at KFC on the drive back to Melbourne
The 3200m is not a farce
A Veteran does not run a 300m quicker than he ran when he was 18


I was certain there were no runners around on Saturday night!?

16 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:58 am

ToM

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DizzyRunner wrote:What If:

DizzyRunner doesn't get sunburnt, windburnt and hypothermia on the same day

Not going to happen.

DizzyRunner wrote:What If:
The post-Stawell beer mile combines with the post-Stawell nudie-run, to create the post-Stawell Nudie-Beer-Mile.

Matty Davy would still win.

17 Re: Stawell Limit is 12M, No one behind scratch on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:23 pm

Downesy


DizzyRunner wrote:What If:

It turns out that SAC is a branch of Jump Media
Powell enjoys drinking froths with the local girls more than starting behind the Hall of Fame
ASADA actually decide to test athletes
The track is not 120m
The bookies pick the winner
There's more than one coffee truck in a venue with 15,000 coffee obsessed people
First Aid gives out ice without requiring a 15page questionnaire
DizzyRunner doesn't get sunburnt, windburnt and hypothermia on the same day
Children decide not to break up the hay-bales in the first hour at Central Park
The vanilla slice at Waaacks bakery is NOT the best in Victoria
The post-Stawell beer mile combines with the post-Stawell nudie-run, to create the post-Stawell Nudie-Beer-Mile
Athletes decide not to stop at KFC on the drive back to Melbourne
The 3200m is not a farce
A Veteran does not run a 300m quicker than he ran when he was 18

Dizzy Runner, there is a McDonalds in Stawell and Ararat, so why would you even pose such an invalid question?

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