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1 Ballarat Gift update on Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:25 pm


Josh Ross will run from 1.5 metres behind scratch in the Ballarat Gift...Jade Bailey will run from 3.5 metres behind scratch in the Womens Gift

2 Re: Ballarat Gift update on Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:59 pm

Bad Boy Bubby

Wins St Albans two races back and gets a 0.5m lift from that run, 1.25m lift from Albury...seems fair.

Matt Carter waiting for his 1.25m lift too

3 Re: Ballarat Gift update on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:25 am


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This is yet another example of inept handicapping that is present at the moment in the sprint events.

JOSH ROSS - Is Australia's best sprinter at the moment and if he can still win off that mark I think it explains the status of mediocrity in sprinting in Australia. However it has to be recognised that this season alone he has won 2 races totalling $18,000. One of these races off scratch was the 2nd biggest race in Australia. The VAL shot themselves in the foot by inviting Ross to the St Albans Gift (you need to look at who the organisers of this gift are to realise that they have a vested interest in the running of the VAL) Josh has also won over $80,000 of the scratch mark and sits 1.5m behind yes that is a penalty of 1.5m for winning over $80,000. It does not matter how poor the athletes are running in front of him or if they need to improve to win off scratch the matter of the fact is that he is being penalised differently to everyone else. Please do not give me the excuse that he is OGA! This is Australia's fastest man at present if they do not have enough information on him or know what he is capable of then the handicapping system needs to be dismantled and everyone should be handicapped on discretion as is the case here. I have also heard the excuse that he has been given the lift because he was uncompetitive at Albury. Josh ran 12.44 in his semi final and given this lift it would now give him a time of 12.30. 12.28 made the final so after winning this amount of money why should he be thrown straight back into the mix???? At the moment this stinks of corruption or negligence are they trying to build up for a showdown between Ross and Powell at Stawell??? This adds to the fact that Joel Bee was not given the minimum penalty for his win at Maryborugh. It seems that elite level athletes who will only support the sport 3-4 times per year are treated differently to everyone else. The average (and yes that's what we all are average) sprinter would need to run up to 15 times to receive this kind of treatment. How long are you athletes prepared to pay your membership and bend over each week while they continue to run the sport like this?

JADE BAILEY - This young lass is given a mark of -3.5. Jade has a PB of 11.38 and 22.91 and in sprinting terms she is a nobody and is no threat on the international scene. The average top tier time on the international circuit would be 11.00 and 22.30 for the 200m. She is a long way off these times yet the handicapper feels that if she was off scratch the field would need a 3.5m lift for a high level international athlete but far from elite level. So we compare Powell who is in the top tier in the world in both the 100m and 200m this should give you a good reflection of what the field should be lifted. According to the handicapper here all sprinters competing in the Stawell Gift should receive a minimum lift of 4-5m at the very least. Will this occur - NO!

Welcome to 2013 - the year of the VAL athlete being officially screwed!!!!!

David Culbert has been very vocal on social media in regards to bashing the VRTA and the fact that they have asked for the athletes voice and opinion and feeling that they are attempting to rail road opinion. No athlete here doesn't want Asafa Powell to compete in the Stawell Gift it is the best thing to happen to the sport but please guarantee that the regular VAL athlete will be treated fairly! The above examples indicate that this is not the case. The hypocrisy in this whole situation is starting to give off some putrid smells. There is no transparency evident, would the VAL, SAC or Jump Media be prepared to tell you the appearance fee for Powell or where that money is coming from???

The running of the VAL should have been included in the recent ACC report for it's mishandling and mistreatment of it's members.

4 who is paying asafa on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:49 am


backmarkers has been downgraded from 10.000 to&5.000
also gift winners has been deleted&6250 i was not a fan of this race how hard is it to keep up to winning level when you have come back in marks????

5 Re: Ballarat Gift update on Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:16 pm


ProTrack Star
ProTrack Star

Regarding where the money is coming from, that is easy. The State Government has budgeted $600,000 over 3 years to be given to the various bodies associated with the gift.

This was used well last year when Mottram ran the 3200m and finished well back in the field.

6 Re: Ballarat Gift update on Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:30 pm


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ProTrack Star
How many times must it be said, the money for Powell comes from Aussie Post as part of their sponsorship agreement for the race.
More than happy with the mark handed to Ross for Ballarat as it is fair and reasonable. He won a $4k race off scratch, big f*cking deal, it's because 80% of the field didn't want it and the 20% who did weren't good enough to stop him. If he is good enough to win from 1.5m behind scratch good on him, he will have earnt the win through sheer ability alone. The biggest problem with this sport is that too many have become reliant on the handicapper to make them look good. HTFU people, the sport hasn't seen this many quality backmarkers for over 20 years, sit back and enjoy the show.

7 Re: Ballarat Gift update on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:35 pm


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ProTrack A Grader
Sorry Phantom obviously you just choose to ignore the $15000 he won at the Bay Sheffield. I agree there has been some great running by The Boss and Bee but besides that it is pretty thin on the backmarkers front. Best backmarkers in 20 years! Just on 10 years ago there would be at least 25+ athletes off 7m or less. Feel free to count how many there are this weekend. I agree that the state of pro running has diminished and I believe has diminished since the introduction of the tick system but at the end of the day rules are rules and it doesn't matter if you are Josh Ross or Tony O'Shea they apply to all runners who step foot on the track.

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