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1 Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:05 am

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Meeting ALB/WOD13 ALBURY/WODONGA GIFT 27/01/2013

EventNo 105BM 70m Open BM
6154 Brandon GALIC CANBERRA 2.5
5557 Sam JAMIESON WILLIAMSTOWN 2.5
1486 Matthew HARGREAVES TARNEIT 2.75
6143 Edward WARE NEW SOUTH 3
5783 John NICOLOSI MALVERN 3.25
6168 Shaun HARGREAVES WERRIBEE 3.25
5731 Benjamin WEAVER FRANKSTON 3.25
7276 Ryan BEDFORD FRANKSTON 3.5
2829 John ADAMS LAVINGTON 3.75
7303 Harrison CHAPMAN NORTH 4
7310 Jake WALKER 4
7188 Carrick GILL-VALLANCE NSW 4
8928 Josh TIU DONCASTER 4
5446 Richard HANKIN NEW SOUTH 4
5763 Alex SALIU SOUTH 4
7313 Chris SEATON 4
1947 Cam DUNBAR RINGWOOD EAST 4.25
7146 Cameron MOSS RINGWOOD EAST 4.25
6416 Augustine CARTY-COWLING WEST FOOTSCRAY 4.25
7186 Hayden WYLLIE NSW 4.5
6516 Tyson DEANE DIAMOND CREEK 4.5
3018 Robert SPENCER ESSENDON 4.5
6252 Jesse MATTHEWS CANBERRA 4.75
2637 Douglas GREENOUGH EAST BENTLEIGH 4.75
6056 Dale LYONS ARMADALE NORTH 4.75
7167 Steve FABRIS BALWYN 5
6729 Paddy McDONALD SANDRINGHAM 5
6438 Josh MATHER CAROLINE 5
6258 Matthew HARVEY KEYSBOROUGH 5.25
6144 Simon FITZPATRICK WINDSOR 5.25
5742 Adam COOTE ELWOOD 5.5
6576 Tom PAAVOLA NEW SOUTH 5.5
7163 Brady LEHMANN NEW SOUTH 5.5
6884 Matt MATHER CAROLINE 5.5
6224 Mitchell PALMER NEW SOUTH 5.75
0242 John CARA EAST DONCASTER 6
5604 Nick MAGREE MITCHAM 6
7148 Tim MATHER CAROLINE 6
0057 Leigh MILLER Forrest Hill 6
7185 Raymond KUHNELL THURGOONA 6
6239 Dujon FUZZARD BENDIGO 6
7193 Chris KIRKMAN RINGWOOD NORTH 6

EventNo 105FM 70m Open F/M
7324 Michael ESCHEBACH NSW 0
5671 Jarrod LINDNER LAVINGTON 0.25
6383 Jarrat WOOD NEW SOUTH 0.25
1224 Darren WHITTAKER MORDIALLOC 0.25
6195 Nicholas CROSS CARNEGIE 0.25
6310 Brendan SMART TASMANIA 0.5
5459 Andrew FLANAGAN NUNAWADDING 0.5
5895 Max LACEY WANTIRNA 0.75
2040 Mark HIGNETT GEELONG WEST 0.75
5793 Matthew BECKENHAM CANBERRA 0.75
7266 Nathan McNAB ACT 0.75
1929 Craig FOLEY surrey hills 0.75
7238 Leigh PHELAN BRIGHTON 0.75
6087 Matthew MIFSUD COBURG 1
7079 Rhys PARKINSON MELTON SOUTH 1
7099 Noddy ANGELAKOS COBURG 1
5942 Matthew SHIEL NORTH BALWYN 1.25
6186 Nick HOWARD TULLAMARINE 1.25
6009 Travis PIKE HURSTBRIDGE 1.25
2626 Justin TEMPLAR ALTONA NORTH 1.5
6728 Tom MOREHOUSE CHELSEA 1.75
7246 Marty SINCLAIR NORTH 2
6059 Calvin GOOK DIGGERS REST 2
6780 Timothy ROSEN BENTLEIGH EAST 2
6514 Simon CAREY ROWVILLE 3
7095 Jay BLAKE PRESTON 3.25
5684 Kendra HUBBARD MALVERN 3.5
0260 Mathew BOYES FRANKSTON SOUTH 3.75
0488 Adrian FURY ALBURY 4
1923 Katie MOORE KILSYTH 4
0354 Christopher BROWN ATTWOOD 4.25
7314 Samantha POMROY 4.5
0459 John HILDITCH ALTONA 4.5
3095 Shane BUCKINGHAM WESTMEADOWS 4.5
3343 Stephanie MOLLICA PASCOE VALE 4.75
0933 Brian WRIGHT MALABAR 5
3090 Lara GAMBINO PARKDALE 6.5
3462 Laura Jane HILDITCH ALTONA 6.5
6734 Kate JONES DURHAM LEAD 6.75
6253 Kevin MATTHEWS KALEEN 7
5284 Simon DARE PARKDALE 7.25
1487 Alice PLATTEN NARRE WARREN 7.25
6264 Pamela AUSTIN WANDANA 7.5
7127 Jacqueline McCANN/WATT SEBASTOPOL 8.25
6107 Dale JONES NEW SOUTH 8.5
5737 Morgan DEANE DIAMOND CREEK 9.25
5324 Sonya POLLARD MOUNT WAVERLEY 11.25
0230 Scott HARGRAVE NORTH ALBURY 11.5
0931 Angela WILSON SANDRINGHAM 14

EventNo 106 120m Gift
5681 Joshua ROSS HAWTHORN EAST 0
6775 Joel BEE BALLARAT 3.25
6223 Alex CAREW ACT 5
7270 Khan MARR WILLIAMSTOWN 5.25
5852 Brendan COLE CANBERRA 5.5
5557 Sam JAMIESON WILLIAMSTOWN 5.75
6154 Brandon GALIC CANBERRA 6.75
5659 Fabrice MELANIE NOBLE PARK 7.25
6251 Brendan MATTHEWS CANBERRA 7.25
7106 Kevin BRITTAIN GROVEDALE 7.5
1486 Matthew HARGREAVES TARNEIT 7.75
5446 Richard HANKIN NEW SOUTH 7.75
7303 Harrison CHAPMAN NORTH 8
7276 Ryan BEDFORD FRANKSTON 8
5783 John NICOLOSI MALVERN 8.25
7146 Cameron MOSS RINGWOOD EAST 8.25
5731 Benjamin WEAVER FRANKSTON 8.25
1947 Cam DUNBAR RINGWOOD EAST 8.25
5956 Bros KELLY HASTINGS 8.25
5763 Alex SALIU SOUTH 8.5
6595 Grant BILLINGHAM CANBERRA 8.5
6168 Shaun HARGREAVES WERRIBEE 8.5
5563 Daniel STEINHAUSER THURGOONA 8.5
2829 John ADAMS LAVINGTON 9
7266 Nathan McNAB ACT 9
6576 Tom PAAVOLA NEW SOUTH 9.25
7163 Brady LEHMANN NEW SOUTH 9.5
2637 Douglas GREENOUGH EAST BENTLEIGH 9.75
2250 Cameron BROWN WAGGA WAGGA 10
6143 Edward WARE NEW SOUTH 10
6144 Simon FITZPATRICK WINDSOR 10.25
8928 Josh TIU DONCASTER 10.25
6252 Jesse MATTHEWS CANBERRA 10.5
6416 Augustine CARTY-COWLING WEST FOOTSCRAY 10.5
6195 Nicholas CROSS CARNEGIE 10.75
6056 Dale LYONS ARMADALE NORTH 10.75
5500 Lachlan TAYLOR TAYLORS LAKES 10.75
5742 Adam COOTE ELWOOD 11
7238 Leigh PHELAN BRIGHTON 11
5758 Derek COLLINGE CANBERRA 11
6448 David FENOLLAR RESERVOIR 11.25
7079 Rhys PARKINSON MELTON SOUTH 11.25
5604 Nick MAGREE MITCHAM 11.5
1765 Matthew CALLARD WERRIBEE 12
1963 Shane EZARD TORQUAY 12.25
6295 Ryan CAMILLE WHEELERS HILL 12.25
6087 Matthew MIFSUD COBURG 12.5
5671 Jarrod LINDNER LAVINGTON 12.5
6258 Matthew HARVEY KEYSBOROUGH 12.75
5896 William LITTLE CAULFIELD 13
6146 Melissa BREEN CANBERRA 13
5942 Matthew SHIEL NORTH BALWYN 13
6310 Brendan SMART TASMANIA 13.25
7246 Marty SINCLAIR NORTH 13.5
5459 Andrew FLANAGAN NUNAWADDING 13.5
1224 Darren WHITTAKER MORDIALLOC 13.5
7099 Noddy ANGELAKOS COBURG 13.5
5333 Paul HUGHES WANGARATTA 13.75
0242 John CARA EAST DONCASTER 13.75
2040 Mark HIGNETT GEELONG WEST 13.75
0375 Andrew WILCOX LOWER 14
1929 Craig FOLEY surrey hills 14.25
6780 Timothy ROSEN BENTLEIGH EAST 15.25
7095 Jay BLAKE PRESTON 16.5

EventNo 107 120m Women's Sprint
6146 Melissa BREEN CANBERRA 0
5857 Lauren BODEN CANBERRA 5.75
7282 Kayla SADLER NEW SOUTH 6
7314 Samantha POMROY 6
1923 Katie MOORE KILSYTH 6.75
3343 Stephanie MOLLICA PASCOE VALE 7.75
3462 Laura Jane HILDITCH ALTONA 10
3250 Stephanie JINKS ESSENDON 10.75
6721 Ellie McKENZIE MORNINGTON 11.5
1487 Alice PLATTEN NARRE WARREN 11.5
6904 Rachael CARNEGIE ACT 12
6877 Sarah BUCHANAN MOOROODUC 12.5
3090 Lara GAMBINO PARKDALE 12.5
3188 Susan SINCLAIR NEW SOUTH 13
6734 Kate JONES DURHAM LEAD 13
7127 Jacqueline McCANN/WATT SEBASTOPOL 13.75
5893 Tiwana MERRITT MARLO 14
6264 Pamela AUSTIN WANDANA 14.25
7227 Lauren CAMPBELL ELTHAM 15
5737 Morgan DEANE DIAMOND CREEK 15.5
1614 Kim MCDONOUGH HIGHTON 15.5
6331 Tarryn FISHER MACEDON 17.25
6486 Jessica FARRUGIA BROADFORD 18.25
5531 Celia COSGRIFF RICHMOND 18.5
5991 Megan McMAHON NORTH SUNSHINE 19.25
6604 Julie HOVEY NEW SOUTH 20
5324 Sonya POLLARD MOUNT WAVERLEY 20
6602 Vicki MATTHEWS CANBERRA 20

EventNo 108 120m Invitational
5681 Joshua ROSS HAWTHORN EAST 0
7324 Michael ESCHEBACH NSW 0
0444 Robert BALLARD NEW SOUTH 0.5
2040 Mark HIGNETT GEELONG WEST 4.75
7311 Michael DARE NSW 5
7238 Leigh PHELAN BRIGHTON 5.5
5333 Paul HUGHES WANGARATTA 5.5
7524 Darren NAISMITH RINGWOOD NORTH 6
0242 John CARA EAST DONCASTER 6
5793 Matthew BECKENHAM CANBERRA 7
3095 Shane BUCKINGHAM WESTMEADOWS 9
0471 Michael CARNEY PASCOE VALE 10
0459 John HILDITCH ALTONA 10.25
0294 Greg O'KEEFFE WANGARATTA 11
0488 Adrian FURY ALBURY 11.25
0260 Mathew BOYES FRANKSTON SOUTH 11.5
0933 Brian WRIGHT MALABAR 13
5284 Simon DARE PARKDALE 14.75
0354 Christopher BROWN ATTWOOD 15
7209 Andrew DRUMMOND CANADIAN 16
5893 Tiwana MERRITT MARLO 17.5
6253 Kevin MATTHEWS KALEEN 17.5
6107 Dale JONES NEW SOUTH 24
0296 Craig LANCASTER DONVALE 24.5
5324 Sonya POLLARD MOUNT WAVERLEY 25.25
2238 Elissa WARD PRESTON 29.75
0931 Angela WILSON SANDRINGHAM 34.25
0884 Benny TANCREDI MORELAND 34.75
6604 Julie HOVEY NEW SOUTH 36
5842 John O'KEEFE WOODEND 999

EventNo 110 120m Novice
7313 Chris SEATON 7.5
6729 Paddy McDONALD SANDRINGHAM 7.75
7266 Nathan McNAB ACT 8.5
6239 Dujon FUZZARD BENDIGO 10
7228 Omar BAYAHOW SOUTH MORANG 12
5319 Dale MYERS NORTH ALBURY 13
6728 Tom MOREHOUSE CHELSEA 13
6884 Matt MATHER CAROLINE 15
7193 Chris KIRKMAN RINGWOOD NORTH 16
7107 Wade GIROTTO PASCOE VALE 16
7148 Tim MATHER CAROLINE 16.5
7324 Michael ESCHEBACH NSW 17
6514 Simon CAREY ROWVILLE 17
7209 Andrew DRUMMOND CANADIAN 17
6516 Tyson DEANE DIAMOND CREEK 18
5893 Tiwana MERRITT MARLO 22.5
7227 Lauren CAMPBELL ELTHAM 27
7103 Danielle McDOWELL DIAMOND CREEK 33
7188 Carrick GILL-VALLANCE NSW 999
0057 Leigh MILLER Forrest Hill 999
7185 Raymond KUHNELL THURGOONA 999
7310 Jake WALKER 999
7186 Hayden WYLLIE NSW 999

EventNo 111 300m Women's/Veteran's
0444 Robert BALLARD NEW SOUTH 2
6049 Justin MURPHY BOX HILL 10
0787 Andrew MUHLHAN ARMADALE NORTH 18
3095 Shane BUCKINGHAM WESTMEADOWS 21
0294 Greg O'KEEFFE WANGARATTA 22
7311 Michael DARE NSW 22
0183 Mark HIPWORTH HUGHESDALE 23
1923 Katie MOORE KILSYTH 23
5857 Lauren BODEN CANBERRA 23
0471 Michael CARNEY PASCOE VALE 26
0933 Brian WRIGHT MALABAR 26
1487 Alice PLATTEN NARRE WARREN 27
3343 Stephanie MOLLICA PASCOE VALE 27
5284 Simon DARE PARKDALE 30
5684 Kendra HUBBARD MALVERN 30
6721 Ellie McKENZIE MORNINGTON 31
0488 Adrian FURY ALBURY 32
6904 Rachael CARNEGIE ACT 33
0230 Scott HARGRAVE NORTH ALBURY 33
7209 Andrew DRUMMOND CANADIAN 34
0354 Christopher BROWN ATTWOOD 34
6877 Sarah BUCHANAN MOOROODUC 34
0459 John HILDITCH ALTONA 35
7324 Michael ESCHEBACH NSW 35
6253 Kevin MATTHEWS KALEEN 37
3462 Laura Jane HILDITCH ALTONA 39
6264 Pamela AUSTIN WANDANA 40
5737 Morgan DEANE DIAMOND CREEK 41
1210 Katrina BUCKINGHAM WESTMEADOWS 41
2024 Anna PASQUALI WANGARRATTA 42
3188 Susan SINCLAIR NEW SOUTH 43
5893 Tiwana MERRITT MARLO 44
3250 Stephanie JINKS ESSENDON 44
5531 Celia COSGRIFF RICHMOND 45
6276 Kylie WILLIAMS KEW 45
3090 Lara GAMBINO PARKDALE 46
7127 Jacqueline McCANN/WATT SEBASTOPOL 46
6331 Tarryn FISHER MACEDON 48
1614 Kim MCDONOUGH HIGHTON 50
6508 Noel MAGHAMEZ WERRIBEE 50
6486 Jessica FARRUGIA BROADFORD 52
0296 Craig LANCASTER DONVALE 53
2806 Martine BEER ROWVILLE 53
5991 Megan McMAHON NORTH SUNSHINE 54
5521 Dennis HUGHES BRAYBROOK 56
7103 Danielle McDOWELL DIAMOND CREEK 56
6107 Dale JONES NEW SOUTH 60
0322 Ricky DUNBAR WONGA PARK 61
6177 Gary BLAKE WEST PRESTON 61
2238 Elissa WARD PRESTON 70
0884 Benny TANCREDI MORELAND 76
6602 Vicki MATTHEWS CANBERRA 79
6604 Julie HOVEY NEW SOUTH 81
0931 Angela WILSON SANDRINGHAM 82
5842 John O'KEEFE WOODEND 999

EventNo 112 400m Open
5852 Brendan COLE CANBERRA 1
6223 Alex CAREW ACT 5
6438 Josh MATHER CAROLINE 9
1486 Matthew HARGREAVES TARNEIT 11
9032 Ollie WURM ACT 13
6168 Shaun HARGREAVES WERRIBEE 13
6595 Grant BILLINGHAM CANBERRA 14
5563 Daniel STEINHAUSER THURGOONA 14
5500 Lachlan TAYLOR TAYLORS LAKES 16
2637 Douglas GREENOUGH EAST BENTLEIGH 18
5758 Derek COLLINGE CANBERRA 18
5956 Bros KELLY HASTINGS 20
5446 Richard HANKIN NEW SOUTH 20
6576 Tom PAAVOLA NEW SOUTH 20
7146 Cameron MOSS RINGWOOD EAST 20
6252 Jesse MATTHEWS CANBERRA 21
5731 Benjamin WEAVER FRANKSTON 21
5604 Nick MAGREE MITCHAM 22
6659 Lee FORREST HUON 22
5895 Max LACEY WANTIRNA 22
5896 William LITTLE CAULFIELD 22
6231 James COLLIER SANDRINGHAM 23
3352 David TINNEY HAMLYM 23
7106 Kevin BRITTAIN GROVEDALE 23
6729 Paddy McDONALD SANDRINGHAM 24
7163 Brady LEHMANN NEW SOUTH 24
1947 Cam DUNBAR RINGWOOD EAST 25
6224 Mitchell PALMER NEW SOUTH 25
7167 Steve FABRIS BALWYN 25
1844 Justin RINALDI RICHMOND 25
3018 Robert SPENCER ESSENDON 27
6448 David FENOLLAR RESERVOIR 27
6248 Daniel LAWLOR EAST MALVERN 28
6239 Dujon FUZZARD BENDIGO 28
6383 Jarrat WOOD NEW SOUTH 28
1495 Michael MARANTELLI TULLAMARINE 28
1765 Matthew CALLARD WERRIBEE 28
6295 Ryan CAMILLE WHEELERS HILL 28
6049 Justin MURPHY BOX HILL 29
5671 Jarrod LINDNER LAVINGTON 29
6195 Nicholas CROSS CARNEGIE 29
0375 Andrew WILCOX LOWER 29
7228 Omar BAYAHOW SOUTH MORANG 30
5757 Robert KEENAN SUNBURY 32
5942 Matthew SHIEL NORTH BALWYN 33
2143 James DEANE RINGWOOD NORTH 33
1994 Neil BRENNAN BRIGHTON 33
7079 Rhys PARKINSON MELTON SOUTH 34
7524 Darren NAISMITH RINGWOOD NORTH 37
7095 Jay BLAKE PRESTON 38
2626 Justin TEMPLAR ALTONA NORTH 38
1352 Glenn STEPHENS EAGLEHAWK 39
6186 Nick HOWARD TULLAMARINE 40
6059 Calvin GOOK DIGGERS REST 40
6009 Travis PIKE HURSTBRIDGE 40
6284 Charlie BROOKS NEW SOUTH 40
7193 Chris KIRKMAN RINGWOOD NORTH 40
7303 Harrison CHAPMAN NORTH 999
2250 Cameron BROWN WAGGA WAGGA 999

EventNo 113 1600m Open
Athlet GivenName Surname Of Handica
5941 Josh NOLAN BENDIGO 75
6772 Cameron BISHOP WANGARATTA 100
1495 Michael MARANTELLI TULLAMARINE 105
5576 Alexander BACALJA SOUTH YARRA 105
2801 Andrew PATTEN EAST 120
2143 James DEANE RINGWOOD NORTH 120
6433 Ian BURROWS ELWOOD 120
1994 Neil BRENNAN BRIGHTON 120
6502 Phillip O'BRIEN FOREST HILL 130
7261 Michael LOW MANIFOLD 130
3038 David SPENCE PASCOE VALE 140
0832 Sean QUILTY VERMONT 140
0109 David HAIGH SANDRINGHAM 140
6426 Joshua SAIT SHEPPARTON 145
6248 Daniel LAWLOR EAST MALVERN 145
0518 Phil NODEN JUNORTOUN 145
6537 Daniel VEITH PARK ORCHARDS 160
2604 Arron DOWNES AIRPORT WEST 160
5885 Tom KELLY ASCOT VALE 165
0263 Gordon MUIR WOODEND 175
7906 Chris PALERMO HAMLYN 180
6284 Charlie BROOKS NEW SOUTH 180
5498 John MORRIS SURREY HILLS 180
1581 Matthew SANDILANDS NORTH 180
2519 Jonathon GLASSON NEW SOUTH 190
0183 Mark HIPWORTH HUGHESDALE 210
5552 James LYNCH EAGLEMONT 265
7076 Stefan CATALANO MELTON 325
2806 Martine BEER ROWVILLE 350

2 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:49 am

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JH any handicaps out for the 120 vets?

3 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:12 am

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A new chance in the Bendigo Opal has emerged. Glen Stephens had 35m at Maryborough got a 2m lift for Rye and has now got a further 2m lift to have him on 39m. Looks an ugly perception when his ties to the 400m handicapper are well known. Another of the handicappers former athletes, Dujon Fuzzard has gone from 26m to 28m after only 2 runs. I hope these discretionary 2m lifts are across the board. I know I have ran twice and got nothing. The perception looks bad.
In the 1600m, either MOB has worked his influence for the Hippo boys or some of the handicaps are incorrect. Every week the distance handicaps are out of whack and after the Rye 800m debacle more care is needed.

4 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:28 am

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A more detailed look indicates the wrong handicaps have been listed for some athletes. Majority of the field looks correct.
Here are some of the incorrect handicaps.
Michael Mara ran 4.02 off 105m and 4.02.6 off 100m at Stawell so should have about 70m. He is listed as 105m
David Spence won Rye off 125m and has 140m
Patten ran off 65m at St Albans and has 120m
Deane won Ringwood off 120m and has 120m
Glasson won Ararat off 190m and has 190m
Josh Nolan won Bendigo off 75m in 4.03 and ran 4.02 at Stawell off 85m. Should be off 40-50m.

5 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:49 am

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Ribera you are absolutely correct.
A number of these 1600 handicaps are incorrect. It would seem that the handicaps for a number of athletes has gone in with old marks. So before we all get too carried away I would suggest completely ignoring them.
I have emailed the people concerned so hopefully we will see a correct set of marks in the near future.

6 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:02 am

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Surely the marks are proof read before being made public? Obviously not.
It must be frustating to an athlete to see the mark and not know whether it's fair dinkum.

7 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:07 am

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Again Trackstar, I agree completely.

8 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:08 am

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Ribera wrote:A more detailed look indicates the wrong handicaps have been listed for some athletes. Majority of the field looks correct.
Here are some of the incorrect handicaps.
Michael Mara ran 4.02 off 105m and 4.02.6 off 100m at Stawell so should have about 70m. He is listed as 105m
David Spence won Rye off 125m and has 140m
Patten ran off 65m at St Albans and has 120m
Deane won Ringwood off 120m and has 120m
Glasson won Ararat off 190m and has 190m
Josh Nolan won Bendigo off 75m in 4.03 and ran 4.02 at Stawell off 85m. Should be off 40-50m.



Steady on Ribera, your treading on thin ice my friend!

Upon viewing 1600m handicaps at Albury it was obvious to Blind Freddy that incorrect handicaps had been listed, what more would we expect from VAL head office at present.

Given it was as obvious as the nose on your face these handicaps are an incorrect, there was really no need to point out the glarringly obvious, espeically in the manner which you've done so.

Nice subtle touch throwing Glasson into the mix, the only non Hippo runner to deflect your intention which is clear given your suggestion that Mob has worked some influence.

Rude and offence Ribera, if you want to start a war then you're going the right way about it. Evil or Very Mad

9 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:13 am

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Ribera wrote:A more detailed look indicates the wrong handicaps have been listed for some athletes. Majority of the field looks correct.
Here are some of the incorrect handicaps.
Michael Mara ran 4.02 off 105m and 4.02.6 off 100m at Stawell so should have about 70m. He is listed as 105m
David Spence won Rye off 125m and has 140m
Patten ran off 65m at St Albans and has 120m
Deane won Ringwood off 120m and has 120m
Glasson won Ararat off 190m and has 190m
Josh Nolan won Bendigo off 75m in 4.03 and ran 4.02 at Stawell off 85m. Should be off 40-50m.



For a poster that told people to get over handicaps, you've contradicted yourself here well

10 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:07 am

Bad Boy Bubby


Gift marks off here to unless St Albans was penalty free for Ross.

11 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:58 am

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Bad Boy Bubby wrote:Gift marks off here to unless St Albans was penalty free for Ross.


Why make comments until you understand the way it works? They are the marks,obviously done before Sat. nite,therefor the penalty would apply on the day one would think.

12 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:08 pm

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Now now children. No need to get too worked up.

A quick look at DizzyRunner's 'Ranking Guide to Distance Races' reveals that the Albury 1600m only ranks as the 12th most important distance race for the season. Perhaps save the squabbling for the weeks pre-Bendigo/Stawell. Be grateful we aren't all racing in Tassie week-in and week-out.

For the record, DizzyRunner has found Watto to be most approachable when it comes to discussions around handicaps. Whilst Dizzy might not always agree with the guidelines, they have always, under the current and past handicapper, been well explained.

13 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:14 pm

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Settle down guys, a lot of marks have been released but not adjusted as there has been a race a day/week prior.

A runner that was off 44m is still showing off 44m however he is actually been brought down quite a bit.

I'd have to agree with MOB, if you have a question regarding handicaps don't express it and name names on an open forum. There is a procedure in place to do so. The Mark is not the athletes fault either.

I have expressed one concern the right way via the VAL website and it was rectified swiftly.

More training and less forum time will gain you an extra meter. Complaining on a forum will give you nothing.

14 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:20 pm

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ProTrackRunner wrote:Settle down guys, a lot of marks have been released but not adjusted as there has been a race a day/week prior.

A runner that was off 44m is still showing off 44m however he is actually been brought down quite a bit.

I'd have to agree with MOB, if you have a question regarding handicaps don't express it and name names on an open forum. There is a procedure in place to do so. The Mark is not the athletes fault either.

I have expressed one concern the right way via the VAL website and it was rectified swiftly.

More training and less forum time will gain you an extra meter. Complaining on a forum will give you nothing.



Well said ProTrackRunner, because the 12 seconds it took me to write this post has severely hindered by ability to get in an extra session of 8x1km later this evening.

15 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:21 pm

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120m Albury Gift
5681 Joshua ROSS HAWTHORN EAST 0
6775 Joel BEE BALLARAT 3.25
6223 Alex CAREW ACT 5
7270 Khan MARR WILLIAMSTOWN 5.25
5852 Brendan COLE CANBERRA 5.5
5557 Sam JAMIESON WILLIAMSTOWN 5.75
6154 Brandon GALIC CANBERRA 6.75
5659 Fabrice MELANIE NOBLE PARK 7.25
6251 Brendan MATTHEWS CANBERRA 7.25
7106 Kevin BRITTAIN GROVEDALE 7.5
1486 Matthew HARGREAVES TARNEIT 7.75
5446 Richard HANKIN NEW SOUTH 7.75
7303 Harrison CHAPMAN NORTH 8
7276 Ryan BEDFORD FRANKSTON 8
5783 John NICOLOSI MALVERN 8.25
7146 Cameron MOSS RINGWOOD EAST 8.25
5731 Benjamin WEAVER FRANKSTON 8.25
1947 Cam DUNBAR RINGWOOD EAST 8.25
5956 Bros KELLY HASTINGS 8.25
5763 Alex SALIU SOUTH 8.5
6595 Grant BILLINGHAM CANBERRA 8.5
6168 Shaun HARGREAVES WERRIBEE 8.5
5563 Daniel STEINHAUSER THURGOONA 8.5
2829 John ADAMS LAVINGTON 9
7266 Nathan McNAB ACT 9
6576 Tom PAAVOLA NEW SOUTH 9.25
7163 Brady LEHMANN NEW SOUTH 9.5
2637 Douglas GREENOUGH EAST BENTLEIGH 9.75
2250 Cameron BROWN WAGGA WAGGA 10
6143 Edward WARE NEW SOUTH 10
6144 Simon FITZPATRICK WINDSOR 10.25
8928 Josh TIU DONCASTER 10.25
6252 Jesse MATTHEWS CANBERRA 10.5
6416 Augustine CARTY-COWLING WEST FOOTSCRAY 10.5
6195 Nicholas CROSS CARNEGIE 10.75
6056 Dale LYONS ARMADALE NORTH 10.75
5500 Lachlan TAYLOR TAYLORS LAKES 10.75
5742 Adam COOTE ELWOOD 11
7238 Leigh PHELAN BRIGHTON 11
5758 Derek COLLINGE CANBERRA 11
6448 David FENOLLAR RESERVOIR 11.25
7079 Rhys PARKINSON MELTON SOUTH 11.25
5604 Nick MAGREE MITCHAM 11.5
1765 Matthew CALLARD WERRIBEE 12
1963 Shane EZARD TORQUAY 12.25
6295 Ryan CAMILLE WHEELERS HILL 12.25
6087 Matthew MIFSUD COBURG 12.5
5671 Jarrod LINDNER LAVINGTON 12.5
6258 Matthew HARVEY KEYSBOROUGH 12.75
5896 William LITTLE CAULFIELD 13
6146 Melissa BREEN CANBERRA 13
5942 Matthew SHIEL NORTH BALWYN 13
6310 Brendan SMART TASMANIA 13.25
7246 Marty SINCLAIR NORTH 13.5
5459 Andrew FLANAGAN NUNAWADDING 13.5
1224 Darren WHITTAKER MORDIALLOC 13.5
7099 Noddy ANGELAKOS COBURG 13.5
5333 Paul HUGHES WANGARATTA 13.75
0242 John CARA EAST DONCASTER 13.75
2040 Mark HIGNETT GEELONG WEST 13.75
0375 Andrew WILCOX LOWER 14
1929 Craig FOLEY surrey hills 14.25
6780 Timothy ROSEN BENTLEIGH EAST 15.25
7095 Jay BLAKE PRESTON 16.5


A $10,000 Gift and there's runners off more than 12.0m? Surely there is a more respectable limit than 16.50 for a race of this calibre? Regardless of whether Josh Ross enters or not, the limit should remain at 12.0m. 10% (12m) of the distance for a race worth $10,000 is enough.

How the blokes who use to run in the 70/80's must look in sheer frustration at the rubbish that goes on today......

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16 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:30 pm

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Under rule 2.33 of the VAL Regulations, the Gift limits are:

  • Open Classic Gift 10% (of the race distance)

  • Open 1 Gift 12%

  • Open 2 Gift 15%

  • Open 3 Gift 20%


So can we assume the athletes off 12m plus will go back to 12.00?

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17 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:50 pm

Bad Boy Bubby


Don't forget the field will get an extra 0.75-1.00m lift for St Albans

Begs the question what will the limit be for Stawell?

18 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:07 pm

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The field will not receive a 0.75-1m lift for St. Albans as marks were already declared so Josh Ross will start behind scratch. The limit last year was 14m and I would assume that was the same. The limit was then lifted to 16m so the mark of 16.5 would be above the adjusted limit.

Joel Bee 3.25m is another example of the rules not being followed.

Wins Maryborough off 2.75m and if he receives the minimum penalty would put him off 1m. Add the 2m Josh Ross lift and Joel should be running off 3m at best. All other Maryborough winners over the past few years were penalised a minimum of 2m yet Joel receives a 1.5m penalty for a classic gift.

19 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:17 pm

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whatever happened to joining the pros getting a mark and keeping it if you couldnt win then training hard to win a race off the mark you had and then the handicapper penalised you for your time you ran or the prisemoney you won its all too complicated!!!!!!!

20 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:11 pm

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the penalty for maryborough in scale of penalty's as per rules is $7001/10000 1.5 metre's

makes mr bee's handicap2.75 less 1.5 =1.25 plus ross lift =3.25 as per handicap declared.

21 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:16 pm

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To Bazzap

The penalty on any race is taken on TOTAL money for the race not 1st prize. $15000 so 1.75.

22 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:13 pm

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as i'm previously north of border i dont quite know the nuance's of the lingo down south it does not say that penalties are for total prize money or prize money won
thank's henry for your reply bp

23 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:27 pm

wannabe


Can someone explain to me how Melissa breen an 11.27 100m runner has 13m in the gift? That equates to a 12.0589. She could take out any gift she wanted off that mark? I would think she should be on at max 10 she is a high quality athlete regardless of her gender.

24 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:55 am

DamnFast


Is she an 11.27 runner on grass??

25 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:57 am

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Ellia Green nearly held off a fast finishing Josh ross off a mark around 13m at St Albans in 12.6xx with a major headwind

I'd expect Mel Breen to be a fair bit quicker.

Will definitely be one of the favorites.

26 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:36 am

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wannabe wrote:Can someone explain to me how Melissa breen an 11.27 100m runner has 13m in the gift? That equates to a 12.0589. She could take out any gift she wanted off that mark? I would think she should be on at max 10 she is a high quality athlete regardless of her gender.


For the number of times Breen's entered an open gift, her mark is very generous.
Your average runner, who can't breake 11.3, would need to be running week in week out in the VAL for 5 years to get anything near that mark.
She should be on around 10 to 11.

27 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:16 am

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All about connecting the Bs.

Beckenham Bounce Benefits Breen @ Burbidge Built Bash

Speaking of Bs, Bee 4 Back 2 Back AWGs! 10.3x form will streak it in.

28 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:29 am

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if Joel Bee wins again I will vomit.

29 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:50 pm

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Breen's run of 11.27 was just legal with a 2.0 tail from memory so she is not normally that quick but with her mark she might not have to go close to that.

Let's hope there is a bookmaker on site as I know where my money would be going.

30 Re: Albury/Wodonga Marks on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:39 am

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In reference to my (Ribera’s) post on Wednesday. It came to my attention on the weekend that the comments have been seen as offensive to some.

Regarding the mile handicaps, the comments were tongue in cheek and a poke in the ribs to a couple of mates in the Hippo crew. It was taken the wrong way and I wish to apologise to MOB, Watto and any Hippo crew who may have found it insulting or taken offence.

Regarding the 400m, the comments were intended to raise perception awareness and were not directly accusing anyone of anything. This sport with its many close ties and old friendships, revolves at times around perceptions. The “whispers around the track” had been about Glen’s handicap lifts and I listed it on an open forum. I wish to apologise for any angst caused to the parties mentioned.

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