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Wangaratta Handicaps

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1 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:43 pm

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JH wrote: Meeting WANG13 WANGARATTA SPORTS CLUB 26/01/2013

EventNo 103 3200m Open
0183 Mark HIPWORTH HUGHESDALE 38
2801 Andrew PATTEN EAST 60
2317 Matthew MCDONOUGH HIGHTON 90
5267 Zac NEWMAN RICHMOND 120
1495 Michael MARANTELLI TULLAMARINE 130
5941 Josh NOLAN BENDIGO 140
1558 Wayne DALZIEL DONCASTER EAST 150
5576 Alexander BACALJA SOUTH YARRA 160
3038 David SPENCE PASCOE VALE 180
7261 Michael LOW MANIFOLD 190
6502 Phillip O'BRIEN FOREST HILL 190
0832 Sean QUILTY VERMONT 210
6426 Joshua SAIT SHEPPARTON 220
2143 James DEANE RINGWOOD NORTH 220
7297 Jackson DEANE 220
6433 Ian BURROWS ELWOOD 260
2519 Jonathon GLASSON NEW SOUTH 270
0518 Phil NODEN JUNORTOUN 270
5885 Tom KELLY ASCOT VALE 280
5498 John MORRIS SURREY HILLS 280
0263 Gordon MUIR WOODEND 280
7906 Chris PALERMO HAMLYN 290
6284 Charlie BROOKS NEW SOUTH 290
1581 Matthew SANDILANDS NORTH 300
5916 Craig HARRIS BLACKBURN 340
0548 Matthew BATEMAN ALBERT PARK 380
0115 Peter NODEN EAGLEHAWK 480
7076 Stefan CATALANO MELTON 540
6544 Rebecca CATO MELBOURNE 550
6260 Sean BEER ROWVILLE 560



Has Hippo turned back the clock 30 years or is there an 0 missing?

2 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:39 pm

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JH wrote:That's what it says on the sheet, must think he has enough runners in it to carry him to the front.LOL Very Happy


Yeah JH scary to think that back in his hayday he probably would have won with a handicap of 38m vs this field. It could be worse though, he could get on the phone to the handicappers across the country and whinge that he and his runners need more and more hanidcap or they are not running!

3 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:34 am

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what a joke the val distance running has become fancy putting on a 3200m race with the limit 560m no wonder there are no entries for it, same with the 1600m look at the times run today, there is hardly a 1600m race won under 4.15s whatever happened to when you won a 3200m it was in sub 8.40s and 1600m was sub 4.05s and the limits were 400m and 240m respectively.

4 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:25 am

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You have hit the nail on the head Knotty. The standard Australia wide is ordinary with little genuine depth - and it is not just restricted to distance events, although it is more evident in the 800 to 3200 range.

The standard was for many years - if you could not win a mile off 240m then give it away - or wait until you are eligible for the vets. Likewise with the two mile. 400m was the limit - it kept the standard up because runners knew once they got to this mark then it was the end of the road in open pro-running events.

Runners had to train regularly and maintain a very good level of fitness to keep competitive. If they chose to take the foot off the pedal in their training then they were exposed and in danger of never winning another race.

My contention is anyone incapable of being competitive off 240m/400m in an open 1600/3200 should stick to fun runs or masters events.

Same with 400's. The limit for many years was 60m and we often had over 160 entries necessitating a split between backmarkers & frontmarkers. I know several runners forced to give away running in open quarters because they could not be competitive off 60m (or less). And they didn't whinge about it, they accepted they were no longer competitive and moved on.

Now days we have the bleeding heart codgers whinging because they want to be able to run off 100m in a one lap race, as if 96m isn't enough.

I long for the days when we had big healthy fields with decent limits, with a plethora of good solid pro-running milers going around off marks between say 80 to 160.

I will never forget the day at Keilor when a woman won the women's Gift off 24m then backed up to win the mile off 400m. Yep, terrific example of keeping fit at an old age, but as a spectacle it was embarrassing & a bloody joke. I remember saying to Hayden Kelly at Keilor we could have transferred the 1600m to the straight six at Flemington. "They only have to run six furlongs now days to win a mile".

If I was in charge I'd drop the limits in every open race back to what they were in the halcyon days of the 1980's and force athletes (& coaches) to lift their standards or stick to masters events, or better still become an official or a coach.


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5 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:44 am

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jknott123 wrote:what a joke the val distance running has become fancy putting on a 3200m race with the limit 560m no wonder there are no entries for it, same with the 1600m look at the times run today, there is hardly a 1600m race won under 4.15s whatever happened to when you won a 3200m it was in sub 8.40s and 1600m was sub 4.05s and the limits were 400m and 240m respectively.


See where the Ben Crawford stakes, oops I mean the 3200m race at Marion this week has a frontmarker on 640m

6 Re: Wangaratta Handicaps on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:49 am

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thanks moderator for your support very hard to get people to listen these days
the best way to go i feel would be 240m limit in 1600m and 400m limit in 3200m and yes 60m in 400m we have so many women and male vets competing in our ranks that all clubs should be encouraged to have a 800m or 1600m women/vets race then every one is catered for.as you said if you cant win off the limit then you have to train harder or just enjoy your running in the pros each week.

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