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Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint (Group 1 race)
1st $750 and trophy, 2nd $250, 3rd $150, 4th $125, 5th $100, 6th $75, 7th $30, 8th $20
FIRST 4 IN EACH HEAT INTO SEMI-FINALS

Event 1 – 4.00pm Peel Health Campus 70m HEAT 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Matthew Sampson 6.5
White Ben Clark 8
Blue Lachlan Sharp 9
Yellow Scott Leggo 11
Green Adriaan Pelser 12
Pink Emily Dixon 12.75
Black Ella Italiano-Schmidt 14.5
Grey Mana Runnion 15

Event 2 – 4.05pm Peel Health Campus 70m HEAT 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Todd Edwards 4.75
White Matthew Konsolis 6.75
Blue Jarrod De Rosario 9
Yellow Brooke Pires-Parenzee 10
Green Rhys Davies 12
Pink Kelly Marie Smith 12.5
Black Chelsea Leggo 14
Grey Taylor Watson 14.25

Event 3 – 4.10pm Peel Health Campus 70m HEAT 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Ryan Trimby 4.75
White Chad Perris 6.75
Blue Tom Kelly 9
Yellow Aldis Jaunzems 10
Green Poppy Schwass 11
Pink Sophie Williams 12.75
Black Paige Gavranich 13.75
Grey Jacqueline Smith 14.25

Event 4 – 4.15pm Peel Health Campus 70m HEAT 4
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Dean Scarff 4.25
White Lachlan McDermott 6.5
Blue Simon Crichton 8
Yellow Dylan Holland 9
Green Gemma Grigg 11
Pink Colin Smith 12.75
Black Liam Watson 14.75

Event 5 – 4.20pm Peel Health Campus 70m HEAT 5
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Maurice Herczeg 5.75
White Jakob Phoebe 7.25
Blue Benjamin Catley 9.25
Yellow Scott Russell 11
Green Breanna Dixon 12.25
Pink Brittany Houghton (SCR) WH
Black Charla Gungor 13.25

Peel Health Campus 120m Novice Race (Group 3 race)
1st $280 and trophy, 2nd $75, 3rd $50, 4th $25, 5th $25, 6th $15, 7th $15, 8th $15
WINNER OF EACH HEAT PLUS NEXT 3 FASTEST INTO FINAL

Event 6 – 4.35pm Novice 120m HEAT 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Jarrod Chandler 8
White Ross Daley 13
Blue Lachlan Sharp 18
Yellow Summer Walters 22.75
Green Larissa Walsh 26.5
Pink Ella Italiano-Schmidt 28.25
Black Jane Stockley 30

Event 7 – 4.40pm Novice 120m HEAT 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Ryan Trimby 7
White Dylan Holland 17
Blue Tom Kelly 17.25
Yellow Katy Jackson 25
Green Brittanny Brymer 26
Pink Taylor Watson 28.25
Black Andrew Bannister 37.5

Event 8 – 4.45pm Novice 120m HEAT 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Todd Edwards 9
White Jarrod De Rosario 13.75
Blue Emily Dixon 22.25
Yellow Kelly Marie Smith 23
Green Paige Gavranich 27.75
Pink Isabella Valuri 28
Black Mana Runnion 30

Event 9 – 4.50pm Novice 120m HEAT 4
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Matthew Sampson 10
White Mark Midgley 16
Blue Rhys Davies 21
Yellow Charla Gungor 23
Green Chelsea Leggo 27.75
Pink Liam Watson 28
Black Jacqueline Smith 29

Event 10 – 4.55pm Novice 120m HEAT 5
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Zhen Wang 12.25
White Michael Monnery 17
Blue Adriaan Pelser 22
Yellow Sophie Williams 25
Green Kirstie Morrison 27
Pink Scott Leggo 28.25

Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift (Classic)
1st $5000 & trophy, 2nd $1650, 3rd $1000, 4th $700, 5th $650, 6th $450, 7th $300, 8th $251
FIRST 4 IN EACH HEAT INTO SEMI-FINALS

Event 11 – 5.10pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Ben Offeriens 4.5
White Alex Glorie 8.25
Blue Keron Russell 8.75
Yellow Jakob Phoebe 12
Green Brooke Pires-Parenzee 17.25
Pink Brittany Houghton (SCR) WH
Black Mana Runnion 30

Event 12 – 5.15pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Dean Scarff 5.25
White Luke Major 7
Blue Chad Perris 10.25
Yellow Brett Blanco 13.75
Green Breanna Dixon 21
Pink Rebekah Newton 24
Black Chelsea Leggo 26.75

Event 13 – 5.20pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Jordan Dobson 5.75
White Cole Unasa 7.5
Blue Adam Moore 8.5
Yellow Simon Crichton 12.5
Green Scott Russell 20
Pink Gemma Grigg 22
Black Larissa Walsh 26
Grey Jane Stockley 30

Event 14 – 5.25pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 4
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Aaron Bresland 6.75
White Dylan Panizza 7.75
Blue Kang Do 8.75
Yellow Ben Clark 12.25
Green Poppy Schwass 20.75
Pink Sophie Watts 25
Black Andrew Bannister 36.5

Event 15 – 5.30pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 5
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Mathew Short 7
White Maurice Herczeg 8.5
Blue Matthew Konsolis 11
Yellow Zhen Wang 11.75
Green Aldis Jaunzems 17.5
Pink Katy Jackson 24.25
Black Paige Gavranich 26.75

Event 16 – 5.35pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 6
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Ryan Trimby 6.5
White Lachlan McDermott 8.25
Blue Glenn Ross 11.25
Yellow Dylan Holland 16
Green Lachlan Sharpe 17
Pink Emily Dixon 21.25
Black Taylor Watson 26.75

Evevt 17 – 5.40pm Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift Heat 7
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Jarrod Chandler 6.5
White Todd Edwards 8.25
Blue Matthew Sampson 9.5
Yellow Jarrod De Rosario 12.75
Green Tom Kelly 16.5
Pink Rhys Davies 20
Black Ella Italiano-Schmidt 27.25

Peel Health Campus 550m (Classic, Australia’s richest 550m race)
1st $1500 & trophy, 2nd $500, 3rd $300, 4th $250, 5th $200, 6th $150, 7th $60, 8th $41
FIRST 3 IN EACH HEAT INTO FINAL

Event 18 – 5.50pm Peel Health Campus 550m Race Heat 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Brenton Mizon 12m
White Jordan Makins 22m
Blue Mark Midgley 39m
Yellow Benjamin Catley 54m
Green Colin Smith 82m
Pink Mathew Ramsden 85m
Black Mark Elms 90m
Purple Munashe Zhoya 105m
Grey Kirstie Morrison 106m
Orange Stripe Liam Watson 113m
Blue Stripe Isabella Valuri 125m

Event 19 – 5.55pm Peel Health Campus 550m Race Heat 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Jace Collingridge 17m
White John Newcomb 28m
Blue Jordan Lilburne 40m
Yellow Mark Jeffery 60m
Green Kyle Newman 73m
Pink Shane Saltmarsh 85m
Black Sophie Watts 97m
Purple Brittanny Brymer 100m
Grey Sabrina Elms 105m
Green Stripe Tanisha Cayley 115m
Black Stripe Andrew Bannister 150m

Event 20 – 6.00pm Peel Health Campus 550m Race Heat 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red Peter Bol 21m
White Alex Glorie 30m
Blue Keron Russell 34m
Yellow Paul Gilbert 42m
Green David Kennedy 70m
Pink Campbell Till 80m
Black Summer Walters 93m
Purple Amberley Jones 98m
Grey Ariarn Huston 105m
Orange Stripe Larissa Walsh 107m
Blue Stripe Jane Stockley 123m

Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint Semi-Finals
FIRST 2 IN EACH HEAT PLUS NEXT 2 FASTEST INTO FINAL
Event 21 – 6.10pm Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint Semi-Final 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red
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Yellow
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Pink
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Event 22 – 6.15pm Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint Semi-Final 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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Event 23 – 6.20pm Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint Semi-Final 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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Yellow
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Peel Health Campus 120m Gift Semi-Finals
FIRST 2 IN EACH HEAT PLUS NEXT 2 FASTEST INTO FINAL
Event 24 – 6.25pm Peel Health Campus 120m Gift Semi-Final 1
Colour Name Mark Place Time
Red
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Yellow
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Event 25 – 6.30pm Peel Health Campus 120m Gift Semi-Final 2
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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Event 26 – 6.35pm Peel Health Campus 120m Gift Semi-Final 3
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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Footballers Skins 40m Sprint Entry List
LAST PLACE DROPS OUT. Winner takes all $500
Event 27 – 6.55pm Footballers Skins 40m
Colour Name Mark Place Time
PTFC Jamason Daniels n/a
SDFC Joshua Kirkup n/a
HCAFL Tim Branston n/a
AJFC Lachlan McDermott n/a
NBFC Chad Perris n/a
EFFC Mitchell Boyle n/a
PD Michael Monnery n/a
FINAL - Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint
1st $750 and trophy, 2nd $250, 3rd $150, 4th $125, 5th $100, 6th $75, 7th $30, 8th $20
Event 28 – 7.05pm Peel Health Campus 70m Sprint Final
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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FINAL – Peel Health Campus 120m Novice Race
1st $280 and trophy, 2nd $75, 3rd $50, 4th $25, 5th $25, 6th $15, 7th $15, 8th $15
Event 29 – 7.15pm Peel Health Campus 120m Novice Final
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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Yellow
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FINAL – Peel Health Campus 550m ( Australia’s richest 550m race)
1st $1500 & trophy, 2nd $500, 3rd $300, 4th $250, 5th $200, 6th $150, 7th $60, 8th $41
Event 30 – 7.25pm Peel Health Campus 550m Final
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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FINAL – Peel Health Campus 120m Peel Gift
1st $5000 & trophy, 2nd $1650, 3rd $1000, 4th $700, 5th $650, 6th $450, 7th $300, 8th $251
Event 31 – 7.35pm Peel Health Campus Peel Gift 120m Final
Colour Name Mark Place Time
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2013 PEEL HEALTH CAMPUS 120m GIFT FORM GUIDE

Andrew Bannister (NBA) 36.5m – 21yo Paul Edmiston trained. Top quality 21yo multiple AWD State Champion. 4th place when just beaten by half metre in 2011 Dardenup Gift 120m & 70m Sprint. 3rd place 2012 Hamersley Gift 120m Final. Gold medallist in the 800 and 400m, silver in 200m, and bronze in the 100m at the 2012 WA AWD State Championships. Probably best suited to the 550m race here.

Brett Blanco (MAWA) 13.75m – 40yo Matt Barber trained. Local Mandurah resident. M30 100m Australian Master’s Record, M30 State Master’s 60m,100m, 200m Record, M35 State Master’s 100m Record, Winner 70m Burnie Tasmania 2005, Winner 70m and 120m Dardanup Gift 2004, Winner 120m Ballarat Gift Victoria 2002, Winner 120m St Helens Gift Tasmania 1999, Winner 120m Roseberry Gift 1998, Winner 200m Roseberry Gift Tasmania 1998, Winner 100m West Park Gift Tasmania 1998, Winner 200m Handicap Roseberry 1997 Tasmania, Winner 90m Burnie Maiden 1997 Tasmania. Impressive record collected over the years will need to find his best form here

Aaron Bresland (CUR) 6.75m – 18yo Matt Barber trained. Burst onto the scene this season with impressive PB’s: Friday 30/11/12 – 200m – 22.22sec – WA Athletics Stadium. Friday 23/11/12 -100m – 10.96sec – WA Athletics Stadium. Makes his pro debut here should big a big learning experience. Could surprise here.

Alex Brown (MEL) Scratched - 15yo Roger Parenzee trained. Talented junior made excellent Pro debut with heat win and second place in 120m final at WAAS. Looks to continue his good run of form here big step up in the Classic race.

Jarrod Chandler (MR) 6.25m – 16yo Dave Griffiths trained. Ran impressive 11.08sec over 100m at WAAS recently and back up with 22.00sec 200m. Current Australian U17 100m Champion & Bronze in 200m. Quality athlete should progress through the rounds and will be one to watch in the future.

Ben Clark (NBA) 12.25m – 21yo Paul Edmiston trained. 2011 Dardanup Novice Winner, 2012 4×400 State Open relay silver medallist. 3rd place Dardenup Gift 2011. Heat winner Bay Sheffield 70m knocked out in semi to eventual winner Josh Ross. Has entered 70m &120m with better mark could be a chance here if he can put it together.

Simon Crichton (CU) 12.5m – 33yo Matt Barber trained. Veteran Curtin sprinter entered in the 120 gift & 70m sprint. Decent PB’s: 100m- 10.81 in 2004, 200m- 22.01 in 2000. Winner of QLD’s major pro event the Jupiters Gift on the Gold Coast in 2001. Finalist of the Bay Sheffield finishing third in final behind six times National champion & twice Stawell Gift winner Josh Ross. No luck at Mullewa earlier this year. Probably a big ask of this veteran athlete.

Rhys Davies (NBA) 20m – 15yo Paul Edmiston/Gareth Davies trained. Local PDLAC Mandurah athlete from the North Beach Blues stable. No luck 6th in heat 120m at WAAS 13.04sec off 21m. 70m Pro Sprint (26th Oct) finished 6th place in heat with 7.95sec from 11.75m. Talented youngster with good speed will need to run well here.

Jarrod De Rosario (NBA) 12.75m – 14yo Paul Edmiston trained. 7th in 70m heat at Mullewa off 7m in 8.34sec. 4th in Novice heat Mullewa 120m off 15m with 13.28sec. 9th place in Semi-final of 120m Gift at Mullewa off 12m in 13.24sec.PB’s: 100m 11.99sec. 200m 25.2sec. Won the 400m under 15s in ACC 2011. Won Champion boy at Servite College in 2011. No luck in the pro’s yet.

Breanna Dixon (UWA) 21m – 15yo Donelle McInerney trained. 2010: Australian Junior Championships- Bronze 200m, U16 2012: WA Champioinships-Gold 200m, SIlver 100m U17. Very talented junior with respectable PB’s has entered both major sprints. Will need to be in top shape here.

Emily Dixon (MR) 21.25m – 16yo Shane Ellis trained. PB’s: 60m: 8.16sec, 100m: 12.79sec, 200m: 27.04sec. Has entered all the 3 sprint races form suggests she is on the improve.

Khang Do (WTC) 8.75m – 18yo Russell Mathanda trained. Solid 100m PB of 11.45sec. Newcomer to the sport of sprinting should be a good experience for him. May have put all his eggs in the wrong basket this time around.

Jordan Dobson (AWA) 5.75m – 19yo athlete with impressive PB’s: 100m 10.85sec & 200m 21.92sec in Dec 2012. In great form with last outing on 20/12/12 ran 10.87sec @WAAS. Winner of 2011 WAFL Grand Final half time sprint winner competing for East Perth Football Club. Incredibly talented athlete is showing his best form lately. Could be the surprise package here.

Todd Edwards (SLSWA) 8.25m – 32yo Duncan Pugh trained. surf lifesaving athlete . 2nd Australian championships open beach relay, Finalist Australian Championships open beach flags. Recent form: 26/10/12 60m – 7.61sec, Last Pro start was 7th (from 7.5m) in 12.9sec and 4th place in heat 70m at WAAS- 7.91sec (4.25m handicap). With improved mark here could be a chance to final.

Paige Gavranich (NBA) 26.75m – 15yo Paul Edmiston trained. Last 120m race at WAAS finished 5th in heat (from 26.5m) in a time of 12.51sec. Also 5th place in 70m Sprint Race at WAAS (from 14m) in 7.88sec. Solid performer should be suited best in the Novice Race.

Alex Glorie (CUR) 8.25m – 24yo Matt Barber trained. 2008 & 2012 Mullewa Gift Winner. 2010/11 400m State Champion, raced over 400m at the 2012 Australian National Championships. Very good 400m PB: 48.30sec. Competed in semi-final at 2012 Bay Sheffield 120m Gift Dec. Still in good form and is well accustomed to the Pro’s, could be a big chance here.

Gemma Grigg (SLSWA) 22m – 26yo Glenn Ross trained. 2013 Winner Maryborough Women’s 120m Gift. 2012 Winner Bay Sheffield Women’s 120m Gift. 2nd place 2012 Ararat Women’s 120m Gift. Top beach sprinter and member of the RHP stable at Surf Lifesaving WA. With outstanding results only a few days ago. She is showing to be in all-time PB shape don’t discount here.

Maurice Herczeg (CUR) 8.5m – 21yo Matt Barber trained. Former State Lacrosse player. Competed at 2011 Bay Sheffield carnival in SA with no luck ran 3rd in heat with 12.83sec. Ran 8th place in 2012 Mullewa 70m final off 5.5m in 7.84sec. 4th place in Mullewa Novice 120m Final off 9.5m in 12.82sec. Needs a big one here to be a series threat.

Dylan Holland (NBA) 17m – 14yo Paul Edmiston trained. Plays for Sorrento Soccer Club PB’s: 24.84 200m and 12.2 100m (Hobart athletics track) April 2012. Won runner up at inter school athletics “A Division”. Talented junior has entered all the sprint events here. Will be a tough one to conquer first up but should be better for the experience. Possible chance in the Novice.

Ella Italiano-Schmidt (NBA) 27.25m – 15yo Paul Edmiston trained. 2012 – 120m Gift heat finished 6th place off 27m in 12.55sec at WAAS. Hamersley 120m Gift finished 3rd in heat with 13.02sec from 26m. 2012 State Junior Athletics Champs won silver in 200m hurdles. 2012 State Junior Relay Champs won bronze in 4x100m and 4x400m. No luck last few Pro starts but looks to improve here.

Aldis Jaunzems (SLSWA) 17.5m – 31yo Glenn Ross trained. 2012 Christina’s Restaurant 70m Sprint winner at WAAS Nov. 4th place in 120m Gift at WAAS off 14m in 12.38sec. Good run when 3rd place in 2011 Bay Sheffield Glenelg 70m Sprint race in SA from 12m. From the seasoned pro RPH stable, with this better mark could go close.

Tom Kelly (BUN) 17m – 12yo Donelle McInerney trained. Impressive PB’s of 100m 12.37sec, 200m 26.25sec, 400m 1.02sec. Gold Medals: 100m, 200m, shot put, high jump, triple jump, long jump at Albany Country Championships 2012. Gold Medal: 100m, 200m Triple Jump, High Jump at Country Championships Bunbury 2011. Talented young country junior talent should soak up the experience here.

Matthew Konsolis (UWA) 11m – 25yo Lenny Hughes trained. 3rd in 2009 Wanneroo 120m Open Gift. 3rd in 2009 Dardanup Novice 120m Gift. Competed in 2010/11 Australian National Championships in 200m and 400m events. Entered 70m & 120m Gift but prefer chances in the 70m.

Chelsea Leggo (MR) 26.75m – 15yo Shane Ellis trained. 2012 Mullewa 8th in 70m Sprint heat from 13.5m ran 8.56sec, 4th in heat of Novice 120m ran 12.99 off 27.5m. From the very strong ‘Flying Stars’ Baldivis stable could find in hard going in this 120m Classic event. Prefer chances in Novice 120m.

Luke Major (UWA) 7m – 18yo Lynn Foreman trained. WA Athletics Stadium. 2010-2011 U16 State Champion, 100m & 200m. 2011-2012 U20 4x100m Bronze, Australian Junior Championships. Winner of 2006 Wanneroo Gift Novice 120m. 3rd place 2010 Perth Festival of Sport 120m Gift. Entered the main 120m Gift. Has some experience in the Pro’s that may be valuable here. Need his best effort.

Lachlan McDermott (MEL) 8.25m – 14yo Roger Parenzee trained. Member of WA 14/15′s International Team that travelled to Singapore, winning a bronze medal in the 100m. Member of East Fremantle Football District 14′s Development Squad. Made last 70m Sprint Final finishing 5th in his first pro start in 7.69sec from 6.5m. Just missed out on making 120m Gift final at WAAS ran 3rd place off 11m in 12.34sec. Could find this 120m Classic Gift a bit tougher than last start.

Adam Moore (UWA) 8.5m – 22yo Glenn Ross trained. Last weeks 2012 Ararat Gift (VIC) 120m winner ran 12.6sec off 9.5m. Doubled up to win the Ararat 70m Sprint as well. The 2011 Be Active Mullewa Gift 120m champion. 2011 Mullewa 70m Sprint runner up. From the strong ‘Ross High Performance’ stable huge step up in class from this mark but in great form, could surprise.

Rebekah Newton (KIN) 24m – 16yo Heather Newton trained. PB: 100m 12.77sec (+3.6) 14/12/2012 WAAS. State u/ 18 400m champion 2012. All Schools u/18 400m Champion 2012. Selection in Australian Youth Olympic Festival 2013 for 400m Hurdles. Tough going here in her first ever Pro race. Probably should of entered Novice & 550m first up as well. Long shot.

Ben Offeriens (MR) 4.5m – 26yo Lyn Foreman trained. 400m National Open Champion in 2005 & again claimed title in 2010 on home soil in Perth, WA. 2009 won bronze in 4x400m relay for Australia at the World Championships in Berlin. 400m personal best of 44.86sec run at the Sydney Track Classic in March 2010. He is nationally ranked in top 20 Junior all time 200m with 21.00sec. Member of 2010 Delhi Commonwealth Games Gold Medal winning team in 4x400m, and London Olympic 4x400m team. Hasn’t raced in the Pro’s for a few years. Is the cream of the crop in this field should make it through to the finals.

Dylan Panizza (UWA) 7.75m – 23yo Glenn Ross trained. Won ‘Male Athlete of the Year’ award by WCAL in 2012. 2012 Bay Sheffield Gift 4th place. 2011 Bay Sheffield Gift 70m Sprint winner. Runner up 2012 Mullewa 70m Sprint. Had a good season last when 1st – 2012 Albury 70m Backmarkers Gift & 1st – 2012 Albury 120m Backmarkers Invite. Top Pro form always in with a very good chance.

Chad Perris (NBA) 10.25m – 20yo Paul Edmiston trained. Ex-North Beach footballer trying his hand at next Paralympics. Ran 2nd in heat with 12.14sec @WAAS 120m off 13m. Later that night ran first Pro 120m Final at WAAS to claim victory in 12.03sec off 13m.. Inspirational outstanding AWD talent with only 6-8% vision. Fantastic smooth runner needs his best form to be in the mix here.

Jakob Phoebe (UWA) 12m – 16yo self-coached. 2009 u/14 Melville High Jump record. 2010 u/14 Western Australia/Singapore track & field Championships high jump gold. 2012 u/16 WA state championships 100m 6th. Very talented junior has entered the two main sprint events. Will be tough going in the 120m Classic race. Prefer 70m chances.

Brooke Pires-Parenzee (MEL) 17.25m – 17yo Roger Parenzee trained. 2012 Kennards Hire Rockingham Gift 120m Women’s runner up. 2011 U18 Australian All Schools – 100m – Gold. 2011 U18 Australian All Schools – 200m – Gold. 2012 U20 Australian Junior – 100m – Bronze. 2012 IAAF World Juniors, Barcelona Spain – 4x100m Relay. U18 Australian All Schools 100m and 200m champion & U16 100m state record holder. 4th in 70m Sprint final at WAAS off 10m ran 7.64sec. Last Pro start 4th in 120m heat off 17m ran 12.44sec. Solid recent Pro form needs her best in this one.

Glenn Ross (SLSWA) 11.25m – 41yo self-trained athlete. 2012 O35’s Bay Sheffield 120m Gift winner. 2010 Dardenup 70m Sprint winner, 2nd 2010 City of Perth 120m Gift. 3rd 2012 Albury 120m Gift. 2010 Bay Sheffield Masters 120m winner. Unlucky 4th in Heat to eventual winner T.Trigwell in final of 120m Hamersley Gift. 4th place in 2011 Mullewa Gift 120m. Solid form could go better here.

Mana Runnion (MR) 30m – Finished in 7th place at 2012 Mullewa Giftheat ran 14.22sec from 30m. Young junior talent had no luck last start when 5th in 120m heat with 13.87sec. Member of the ‘Flying Stars’ Athletic squad. Big step up in class here in the Classic event.

Keron Russell (AWA) 8.75m – 20yo Susan Andrews trained. PB’s: 400-49.3 (2010) ended the season in injury. 800m- 1.55.36 (2010). Competed in for WA at Nationals in 2010 & 2011. Has entered the main 120m & 550m. The speed will be on in this race. Prefer chances in 550m.

Mathew Sampson (UWA) 9.5m – 20yo Lyndsay Bunn trained. Last Pro start at Mullewa 2012 finished 3rd in heat from 9.25m ran 13.12sec. Then in Mullewa 120m semi-final finished 6th off 9.25m ran 13.13sec. Former state high jumper and West Australian basketball league team MVP. Probably find it tough going in this Classic race.

Dean Scarff (NSW) 5.25m – 26yo Brian Wright (NSWAL) trained. Came to notoriety on the 24th Nov 2012 winning Queanbeyan Gift 120m (from 7.25m) in 12.21sec. Originally from Perth, now living in Sydney. 2007 SLSA Australian Open Men’s Beach Sprint winner. 2012 ILS World Interclubs Open Men’s Beach Relay champion (with Collaroy SLSC). 2012 NSWAL Queanbeyan Gift winner. Competed in recent surf lifesaving world championships in November (with medals in relay and individual sprint). Recently undergoing rehab for a hamstring injury. Quality sprinter could go close again here if in top shape still.

Poppy Schwass (CUR) 20.75m – 15yo Matt Barber trained. Last Pro start in 2012 Mullewa 550m race when 11th off 108m ran 1.21.24sec. Very talented 16yo made huge impression when making the Open 100m hurdles National final in 2010 at age 13yo. Yet to break through in the professional ranks. Prefer chances in the 70m Sprint.

Lachlan Sharpe (BUN) 17m – 13yo Donelle McInerney/ Bunbury athlete. PB’s: 100m-12.08secs 2/12/2012 mondo track domain athletics centre Hobart, Tasmania. 2012- Silver Medal 4×100 Relay National All Schools Championship. U/13 State Little Athletics Team Member.2011- U/12 State Schoolboys AFL Team Member. Talented Junior has entered all the sprint races best suited in 120m Novice but like stable mate T.Kelly should soak up the experience and atmosphere.

Mathew Short (NBA) 7.5m – 20yo Paul Edmiston trained. Winner of WCAL ‘Athlete of the Year’ 2012, 2012 Bay Sheffield Gift was 3rd place (off 8m) in final to winner Josh Ross. 2011 Hamersley Gift winner 120m, 2011 Dardenup Gift winner 120m, 2010/11 4x100m State Open Champion, 4th in 2011 Mullewa Gift 120m, eq 4th 2012 Rockingham Gift 120m, Semi-finalist 2012 Stawell Gift 120m, Semi-finalist 2011 Bay Sheffield 120m. 100m PB: 11.04sec Nov 16th @WAAS. Talented 20yo has good form and could make final here as well.

Jane Stockley (NBA) 30m – 19yo Paul Edmiston trained. 5th at 2012 Mullewa in 550m ran 1.16sec off 123m. High jumper with 100m PB of 13.82sec. 2nd place at the 2011/12 WA State Open Championships in HJ. Finalist at 2012 Australian Junior Champs HJ. 3rd place in final at Rockingham 550m Feb 2012. Prefer chances in 550m.

Ryan Trimby (WCAL) 6.5m – 33yo self- trained athlete. 2012 Langholm 90 mtrs winner (border athletics) Scotland. 2012 Meadowmill 200 mtrs winner (border athletics). 2012 classic league winner (border athletics). Has entered all the sprints, should be a big day for the former Scottish resident now residing in Rockingham. Unknown form hard to know what to expect.

Cole Unasa (NBA) 7.5m – 23yo Paul Edmiston trained. 2012 Bay Sheffield 120m backmarkers Invitational winner off 7.75m. 2010 City of Perth Gift 120m winner off 10.25m, 2010/11 WA 4x100m Open State Champion, 2nd place 2011 Mullewa Gift 120m, Semi-finalist Stawell Gift 2012. Former rugby union Western Force academy member. 5th in 100m final at National University Games (QLD) in 2011 with 11.06sec. Missed out on Bay Sheffield 120m final by 0.01sec. Could make up for it here.

Larissa Walsh (CU) 26m – 18yo Matt Barber trained athlete. Pro debut she has entered both 120m races & the 550m. On the improve could be a good chance in Novice 120m or 550m.

Zhen Wang (UWA) 11.75m – 24yo Glenn Ross trained. 5th in heat of 70m Sprint at WAAS off 6m ran 7.95sec. 4th in 120m Gift at WAAS off 11.5m ran 12.95sec. Competed at Bay Sheffield 2012 with no luck. New to the pro running game.

Taylor Watson (NB) 26.75m –15yo Paul Edmiston trained. Finished 2nd in heat of 70m Sprint at WAAS ran 7.81sec from 14.25m. 5th in 2012 Mullewa Gift 120m Novice Final ran 12.84sec from 28m. 4th in heat of 2012 Hamersley Gift with 13.35sec from 25.5m. U18 state bronze medallist in the 4x100m..

Sophie Watts (SLSWA) 25m – 15yo Glenn Ross trained. Winner 550m Race at WAAS. 2nd place 2011 Dardenup 120m Novice race. 3rd place 2012 Mullewa 550m race. Last start 70m Pro Sprint finished 5th with 7.98sec from 13.5m. Finished 8th place in recent 120m Gift at WAAS off 26m ran 12.19m. Form suggests she could be one to watch in this race.

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2 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:47 am

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Great work on the form guide. Very informative.

WA pro running is at a level not seen for many years. Hopefully they can develop a strong calendar over the next few years and have 10 or more meets so that there is some continuity and regularity. In time, add some women only and under age events (U/20) that will allow the WCAL to introduce some decent limits to its Gifts. Having athletes off marks of 20 plus in a 'prestige' Gift detracts from the standard & quality.

But for the interim, it is looking very promising for the sports' long term future. Should be an exciting time over the next few years as the WCAL continues to grow.

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3 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:54 pm

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A limit was discussed for this event and will no doubt be enforced in future. This year was seen as an opportunity to encourage new people to pros. The increase in juniors and females should allow for their own races next year.

Hopefully a different date next year as will be a few scratchings today from those returning from Bay & Vic.

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4 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:47 pm

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As a sprinter this event sounds like it would be worth taking the trip over to WA, but if only the exciting sprinters compete and those boring un-exciting over 35 sprinters (as Youngy see's it)are left out due to limits, then I guess I'd be staying at home instead.
I'd agree the segregation of the womens and mens open events makes sense, but discussion here in SA about the limits on "prestigious" events pops up now and then, usually when the numbers are down on events like Loxton and Whyalla, where if the limit was removed or lifted from 12m to 15m or similar, potentially more would compete.
Just because there is a larger prize pool, I cant see how all of a sudden the event looks unexciting if someone of 16m were to win, when its okay for the smaller events with small prize money on offer to not have limits.
It "appears" to me that "maybe" some coaches who coach a sprinter that they feel will possibly win a "prestigious" event with big money "could be" using the smaller events to disguise where they might sit with their handicaps. Let the guys of 12m plus win the small events but make sure they dont compete in the big ones.
I hope WA doesn't follow this trend. Allow runners to compete as the handicap system is intended. Any athlete, despite ability has an equal opportunity to win any race.
I guess it will be a case of watch this space later in the year/ early next season.
Good luck with it all and well down to everyone involved, I do hope to be there next year.

5 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:42 pm

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I don't regard Over 35 athletes as boring at all.

Unlike you Over 35er I prefer a decent standard of competition. I don't care if that athlete is over 35 or not. Just so long that the athlete is competitive from a respectable limit. a la Tim Johnson.

I don't like watching rubbish. Whether that be footy, tennis, cricket, athletics. I prefer watching good quality sport and when it comes to prestige Gifts, I think we should maintain a respectable standard that attracts sponsors and spectators and gives young athletes something to strive for.

There are very few races in the SAAL that have limits that one would consider 'restrictive'. If you're not good enough to win the feature event of a particular meet like the Whyalla Gift or Loxton Gift off 12.00m then so be it.

There's plenty of other races on the circuit.

That's why we have codger races - to cater for those who want to keep having a run as they get older. Most acknowledge that their days of winning a big Gift are over, but then we still have a selfish few who think they've got a god given right to be competitive in everything for as long as they want to run.

I'd hate to see the day we have to increase the limit just to artificially boost the entry numbers.






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6 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:18 am

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Totally agree with you Youngy, quality races should be won by athletes with a level of quality about them. VAL have increased the limit for 70's this season with some runners out to 18m, which is a joke. Participation rates will increase by encouraging the 'handy' athletes who are running with AV on a Saturday arvo to have a crack at pro running and you aren't going to encourage them if they see people running off ridiculous marks.

Over 35er you complain a lot about limits, but there are vet's races and smaller prizemoney gifts for you to compete in. Unfortunately as we get older the time for winning big races pass, thats just how it is.

7 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:40 am

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Yes, maybe I do complain a bit about the limit situation, but then I pay my open membership for the season just like any others that run off any mark, without restrictions whether you find that boring or not. However due to limits I am restricted to 10 out of the 15 120m open events. And don't give me this "not all open runners can go in over 35's" rubbish either. If I wanted to go in over 35's events only I would have paid a cheaper registration for this only.
Let me get this right,
I take it you don't think over 35 events are boring if we are grouped together?
If we compete in the Pt Adelaide 120m gift its not boring because its smaller prize money?
If we go in the Loxton 120m gift its suddenly boring to watch?
Therefore we have a limit of 12m for this big money events.
Therefore we (over 35's) should then compete in another event like the Loxton 300m over 35's just to appease the others like yourself, make up numbers in this event which helps keep the very events that you dont want us in and avoid losing that event.

I dont ever want to hear the numbers are low at Mt Gambier, Loxton or Whyalla again, you cant have it both ways.

I wonder if the organisers and sponsors found the Peel Health Campus Peel Gift boring due to the range in handicaps?

Would it be more exciting if half the field didnt compete because of a 12m limit with the number of competitors in the 120m Gift going from 42 to 22-24.

With no limit atm to get the numbers up will the WCAL decide next year we dont need you any more (those outside of 12m), but thanks for being part of building this event, you can go in the other smaller prize events instead?

Those sponsoring should be the ones having a bigger say in whether a limit should be in place, they are the ones putting up the prize money, they are the ones that want value for money.

8 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:46 am

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Sounds like over 35er is a very selfish athlete. All about him, stuff the quality as long as he gets to run. So when does this stop over 35er, when you are not competitive off 16 any more, then we push the limit out to 18, then one day you wont be competitive off that so we push it out to 20. Sounds like over 35er just wants the limit to be pushed out to accommodate him.

Run in vets races mate and stop whinging.

9 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:05 pm

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Apologies to the WCAL lads for hijacking their thread. But as a person who has been on a committee that has organised in excess of $20,000 for a meet including an $8,000 Gift (Keilor) I can tell Over 35er exactly what sponsors want when they are putting up thousands - they want an event of some quality and that means a few decent backmarkers they can pump up to sell their event. Both Geoff Strutton at Loxton & Jim Hewitson at Whyalla want quality athletes in their race and are happy to live with a 12m limit if it means the standard is reasonable.

Hypothetically, if Josh Ross entered Loxton and was run out by a mug off 18m in a semi final, the meet organisers (and a lot of spectators & sponsors) would be livid. Anyone who was at Prahran in 1993 when Cathy Freeman's blocks slipped and she was run out in the heat would have seen hundreds of spectators walk out after the heats, knowing Cathy's night was over. That was a case of bad luck, but the reality is the people were there to see Cathy, not the athlete off 12m.


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10 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:51 pm

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Its not a whinge Trackstar, its my opinion and one that I have the right to put forward on a "forum".
If wanting to have a run in a competition that I have paid full registration to compete in is selfish then maybe I am selfish, but not narrow minded.
Riding the wave of the Olympics numbers are up, but just like 2 years ago when the numbers were down at eg. Loxton, it will come about again. Who whinges then.
The point of handicap racing is that it is handicap racing. In the case of the Cathy Freeman Prahran race why have the 12m runners then. Lets just take the top 10 and be done with it.
Maybe I should enter the Loxton Gift, run off 12m, look stupid, the heat will look stupid, as perhaps will the handicapper and the event.

On the subject of "prestigious" what makes the Hectorville 120m gift "prestigious". Seriously the prize money?
You need to re-assess what is "prestigious".

I'm not good enough to be in the Bay Sheffield I get that and don't expect to ever run in it, but I think I should be able to compete in the Whyalla, Loxton and Hectorville gifts without being disadvantaged 4m. Why the limit 12m and not 10 or 6m, why not 14m??? Why is someone off 13m not good enough in some peoples eyes but off 12m they are, or at least good enough to make up the numbers?
Maybe the Loxton gift is more prestigious than I give it credit for, its been run longer and creates a greater range of interstate runners, and therefore fair enough.
The other point of placing limits on Hectorville and Loxton 120m gifts are the options out of that distance. The next available short distance is the 400m at Hectorville and 300m at Loxton. I dont train for 400's, dont like them and therefore don't do them, 300's ehh getting there. If I opt out of these events I pretty much miss 1 month of comp, the whole of Feb. If you "track" "stars" running of your 6-7m where told you best not compete for a month when you're all good to go, do so and be disadvantaged, I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about it either!

11 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:58 pm

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12m is the limit, live with it or find another sport, over 35er. I agree with Phantom. We need more quality amos in the sport, on 7 or less, much better to watch than old hacks off 16.

12 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:09 pm

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over35er....sorry to say butyou cant have ur cake and eat it to..u can run in every 120 but u choose not to because of handicaps...do u think everyone who runs in a bay sheffeild or a stawell gift heat thinks that they will win it or because they want to run in the event it self..stop crying take ur 12m and run otherwise shut up complainig ..maybe coach the winner instead or like someone said..is it all about u....have a nice day

13 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:17 pm

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For a start I cant sit back and let everyone ridicule Over35er as being selfish and only considering himself.
If it wasnt for Over35er I doubt if we would be racing this weekend as there would be no TTG meeting.
Perhaps we need to look at his whinges and see if they are warranted and if something can be done.
Perhaps make the limits 18m ,allocate the marks and then drag the back marker back to scratch and everyone else back accordingly.I know I have mentioned it before but if the backmarker gets run out then create a new backmarker with those remaining so you always have someone running the full 120m
The sponsors would be getting good bang for buck and the RED runner is given more time to run down the frontmarkers.Invariably it would be a red ,white ,blue victory.
In Over35er case he may run off 11.50 in his heat but may be dragged back to 10.50 for his semi.
Look forward to those great multi coloured sashes again this year ,over 35er

14 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:42 pm

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Yes over35er does a great job keeping TTG going. We all appreciate it. No argument here.
separate issue tho.
His opinion on the limits is selfish. As birdman says nothing stops over35er from entering. but he chooses not to because the limit prevents him being competitive. That's his problem not SAAL's.

15 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:57 pm

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I dont think everyone competing in the Bay or Stawell thinks they will win, some will say they can win, but all will say they should have a chance to win and all will say they want to win.
If you thought you will win going in these events, you will likely be very disappointed.
Wanting to win and thinking you will win are two different things.

You think where I run off 16m, I should pay a premium and run off 12 and do it because its a "prestigious" event, likely take the long drive to eg Loxton likely ending up missing the semi's and then just suck it up?
What would you do?

from the SAAL website :WHAT IS HANDICAPPED RUNNING?
In handicap running, competitors start at different positions on the track dependant upon their ability. The backmarker is generally the more naturally gifted athlete and starts behind everyone else. The handicaps are designed to even up the competition just like horse racing so that the running is more fascinating and unpredictable and gives everyone a chance.
What this should add is unless it's where large prize money is on offer.

Have a look at the Daylesford Gift results and the marks of the place getter's, love to hear a comment on this. Did the sponsors get bang for buck, did everyone enjoy running in the event, was it not exciting due to some front markers featuring in the final?

Racingmania: compile a list of sprinters with a handicap of less than 7m for the 120m open see what your left with and tell me, the SAAL or sponsors this is what would be ideal for the sport in SA.

Thanks whispers, come in to cop it too? At least I can count on you to have an opinion that differs from the proteamyoungytrackforum regulars.
Next year maybe the open events will be restricted only with limits of 20+ for the 200m and 8+ for the 70m keep the backmarkers at home so they and their coaches dont get too bored! Then I can complain about why are the numbers down. Razz

16 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:12 pm

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The Morphy Mongrel wrote:
That's his problem not SAAL's.

Yep it is my problem, just not good enough, maybe what I need is a coach willing to try improve me, rather than being self trained, 11 years no offers yet.

The points that most have made contradicts the SAAL's website as I quoted previously.
Fair for all, or just the really good ones?

17 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:08 pm

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How many open sashes have you won over 35r? I bet there are a few more novices in races they don't have a chance for but they enter and run. Then when it comes to the smaller meets they meet you off 16 and can't get past you. I think they have more to complain about than you not being able to be competitive in 4 or 5 races because of a limit.

18 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:26 pm

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From memory I have only won 3 in 11 years, with the first and only 120m being the Pt Adelaide 120m gift last season. 1 Novice and 3 over 35's.
So I think they get past me more often than not!

19 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:25 pm

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over35er wrote:

Thanks whispers, come in to cop it too? At least I can count on you to have an opinion that differs from the proteamyoungytrackforum regulars.
Next year maybe the open events will be restricted only with limits of 20+ for the 200m and 8+ for the 70m keep the backmarkers at home so they and their coaches dont get too bored! Then I can complain about why are the numbers down. Razz


Firstly just because you are in the minority, doesn't mean you should insult the intelligence of others whose opinion differs from yours. I can tell you that apart from me and one other, the others posting their views have nothing to do with YGTS. So this is not a conspiracy from 'team young'. Fact is most of us look at it from a perspective of what's good for the sport as a whole. Because most of us were good enough to win Gifts off respectable marks. We can't cop an argument that makes it easier to win the races that use to be a lot harder to win because of the depth of the big fields we contended with.

This sport needs to have a few of its big races to have limits to ensure the quality of the event is at a decent level and offers young athletes something to aspire to. The sport has parallels to horse racing and like the group one handicaps that cater for the better class of horse, we have traditionally placed limits on a few of our bigger races to give them that element of prestige.

At the moment the list of Whyalla and Loxton (& Hectorville for that matter) winners is impressive. All good runners who attained a reasonable level and got themselves in shape to win from a mark less than 12.0. Young athletes coming through know that if they train hard enough and reach a respectable standard they can one day aspire to join the list.

I reckon your main problem is Shane that you have never been good enough to win from a mark less than 12 so you have no appreciation of the quality of athlete and his training that is required to win from the novice mark. I'm sure had you been a good runner in your youth you wouldn't be peppering the forum with your nonsense now.

And by the way, we do love your passion for this sport and very much appreciate the work you've done to maintain Tea Tree Gully on the calendar. It's an important meet for the sport given its location.

Not sure I can make it on Saturday due to family commitments but if I can I do look forward to it. The 200m final last year was a terrific race and hopefully we get another this week.


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20 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:45 pm

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MAYBE on the day the Gift has a limit we also run a race called the Frontmakers Gift.
My suggestion would be to scrap the under 20 races in Whyalla and Loxton and replace those races with a Frontmarkers Gift.
The under 20 races arent really well supported when you need to travel and I suggest the sponsors would get a really interesting race of good numbers with over35er making the trip to run at both Whyalla and Loxton.

21 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:01 pm

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It's naive to assign current limits too much significance; they're all fairly arbitrary, and any decision on Gift limit is always going to contain an element of pragmatism.

When Stawell shifted the limit to 11m to accomodate international guests, the entries of those normally in the 10-11m zone must surely have been in their minds. Some athletes will choose to enter the Stawell Gift, even if it costs them half or even a full metre, but many won't, particularly given that Stawell has a plethora of other options.

From the 2012 Gift, if the mark was left at 10m, that would've affected 7 athletes, including finalist Adam Coote. From 2011, another 7 semi-finalists would've been affected if the limit was left at 10, including runner up, Ed Ware. In 2010, 11 semi-finalists had a mark of 9.25-10m. In the same year, 35 of the 118 heat participants were handicapped at 9.25-10m. That's 30% of the athletes who actually fronted up to compete who potentially would not have run if there had've been a field-wide lift due to an international visitor that they wouldn't have received because of a fixed 10m limit.

I'm sympathetic to the arguments on both sides, but any person pretending that organisers would prefer to have only 20-odd participants in a gift and retain a low limit, versus having 40 or 60 with a more accomodating limit is kidding themselves. In the battle between prestige/history and attracting sufficient athletes to get a Gift off the ground, I don't doubt that organisers would prefer survival above all else.

As an aside, I think the mistake some of you are making is to pretend that this is a complaint solely of over35er, and to tag him as selfish. I defy any pro running participant to pretend that they're not in if for themselves. People may enjoy a variety of aspects that this sport offers, but very few people are going to fork over chunks of money each week for the sake of getting smashed by their fellow competitors without the understanding that their handicap will eventually improve and put them in a position that they can be competitive. Every athlete is either recovering from a penalty post-win (or place in a major), looking to become competitive, or competitive and in with a genuine shot. The nature of pro running is that, eventually, everyone has a shot, and thus everyone is ultimately looking out for themselves, to one degree or another.

I don't think that the Bay Sheffield or Stawell Gift would be well served by having a winner off 20m, but the perception of value of a winner's handicap is up to each indvidual; there is no magic to a limit of 10 or 12m - they're simply arbitrary constructs reflecting a balance in the priorities of the organisers.

Or, to repackage one of over35er's points, if participation in pro running was dramatically higher, and Stawell organisers decided to alter the limit to 6m so as to constrain entries to a more manageable number consistent with the scope of the program and the perception of the Stawell Gift as an 'elite' running event, how many of you would find yourselves lamenting the harsh limit? Who amongst you would suddenly find yourselves scorned by faster athletes, coaches and interested parties as 'selfish' for wanting to be involved, as a hack who should move on to Vets' races, or as someone who should wait for the $600 100m events where you belong? That limit is arbitrary; the least you can do is acknowledge that not all of over35er's arguments are wrong, even if you feel viscerally that certain limits should remain unchanged.

22 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:14 pm

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youngy wrote:... Fact is most of us look at it from a perspective of what's good for the sport as a whole. Because most of us were good enough to win Gifts off respectable marks. We can't cop an argument that makes it easier to win the races that use to be a lot harder to win because of the depth of the big fields we contended with.

This sport needs to have a few of its big races to have limits to ensure the quality of the event is at a decent level and offers young athletes something to aspire to. The sport has parallels to horse racing and like the group one handicaps that cater for the better class of horse, we have traditionally placed limits on a few of our bigger races to give them that element of prestige. ...

They're good points, youngy, and I agree that the perception of value of an event is going to reflect the limit, prize money, history and prestige, as well as various other ephemera. I can certainly appreciate that past winners of events are sensitive to moves that might risk diminishing the value of events they have won, and perceive certain changes as undermining their past efforts. I also recognise that not all events are equal and that there needs to be varying prestige, else it all becomes an Interclub competition.

23 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:05 pm

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Spot on ToM spot on, this is the very point I am trying to make, obviously/unfortunately I haven't been able to put my case forward as brilliantly as you have. A big thankyou to you whoever you are.
Sorry Youngy and others I was kidding about the proteamyoungytrackforum, that was a joke although I was thinking in part a conspiracy was forming Very Happy
Thanks for the support with TTG, shame you wont be out there Sat, you're a good man we just have a difference of opinion on this matter. I'm so busting my ass that extra 10% just to shove it up you (only on the track, the only way it should be) Very Happy
Doing this for the codgers!

how is it everyone knows who each other is/are on here and I have no idea apart from Youngy???

24 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:39 am

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I reckon your main problem is Shane that you have never been good enough to win from a mark less than 12 so you have no appreciation of the quality of athlete and his training that is required to win from the novice mark. I'm sure had you been a good runner in your youth you wouldn't be peppering the forum with your nonsense now.


Now I'll have my boo hoo.
I never sprinted in my youth, never did little A's, juniors, schools, nothing, not until I happened to be at the Bay about 12 years ago watching and thinking I could give this a go, so I did. Thanks to Youngy, you lent me a set of blocks, competed later in the season at Flagstaff Hill in the 120m open aged 32.
From then, I never got any coaching, no assistance in technique, drills, starts etc. What I have learnt so far is from watching others, tit bits where I can from those willing to provide info and the internet.
Now if I had at least some grounding and at least some decent coaching in the 1st couple of years in the least, maybe I would be a better sprinter now, and maybe my mark would be better also.
Now 43, I feel I have been consistent for the last 5 years around the 15-16m. If I ever get beyond that I know I have slowed down and would sooner give it up than be one of those that run off 17-18m or more.
You young guys that run off 7m, 9m or whatever, think I'm a hack running off 15.75, you ever thought maybe someone off scratch or 2,3 or 4m thinks your a hack and shouldn't be in it.
I train damn hard on and off the track, so don't think my perception of how I see my ability is any different to how you see yourselves. I feel I belong out there just as much as you think you do.

25 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:57 pm

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over35er, might be time for you to take the Teddy out of Stokesy pram and have a little lie down under your doona.

let's get back onto commentary re Peel Gift please.

26 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:08 pm

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I believe Stokesy is using said doona to keep his neck warm.

27 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:10 pm

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over 35er I do not think you or anyone else who runs of any mark are hacks but my opinion with you wanting the limit changed I don't and never will agree with.

For your age being competitive in an open event is a credit to you and your commitment to training keep it up. Thanks also for your organization of the T.T.G meet this week. Very Happy

28 Re: $15 000 Peel Health Campus Peel Gift on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:07 pm

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Mick the Rex, I knew having my last bit was going to be self indulgent and a little like stokesy and his teddy in the pram and maybe I could make special doona for his neck in time for Saturday night? and Cheers Trumpet.
Was never my intention to hi-jack this post, so back to it.
Big sorry to NBA blues.
Which ever way you guys go about things in the future in WA, good luck with it all.

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