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PROTRACK » GENERAL » 13 years, 43 major Gifts in SA, 261 finalists and 131 placegetters.

13 years, 43 major Gifts in SA, 261 finalists and 131 placegetters.

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In the summer of 2001/2002, the SA Athletic League's calendar improved significantly with the introduction of Mt Gambier (December) and Loxton (February). The SAAL had just lost Port Pirie and was struggling to come up with another decent 120m Gift to compliment the Bay Sheffield.

The introduction of Mt Gambier & Loxton changed the landscape dramatically, offering two quality carnivals with significant prizemoney to the SAAL's athletes. The combined prizemoney of these meets represented about 20% of the total  prizemoney on the circuit, boosted largely by the big purses available in the 120m Gifts.

In 2006/2007 we saw the reintroduction of the Whyalla Gift which has developed into a terrific meet in it's own right and is now an integral part of the big 4 - the grand slam of major 120m Gifts in the SAAL.

Unlike Victoria or NSW, where there is some debate and competition for a 'Top 4', in SA there is no dispute -the top four Gifts are clearly (in chronological order of being run) - Whyalla, Mt Gambier, Bay Sheffield & Loxton.

Since that defining season of 2001/2002 there have been 6 Whyalla Gifts, 11 Mt Gambier Gifts, 11 Bay Sheffields & 11 Loxton Gifts.  A total of 39 majors. So there have been 39 major winners from a total of 236 finalists. (37 x 6 man finals & 2 x 7 man finals.)

On two occasions there have been 4 athletes on the dais - an equal 3rd at the 2011 Bay Sheffield and another equal 3rd at the 2012 Loxton Gift. Therefore there's been 119 athletes finish on the podium.

From those 236 finalists there have been 94 different athletes. Exactly 50 of them have made only the one appearance in a SA major Gift final. The remaining 44 have made 2 or more finals.

The athlete with the most major Gift final appearances is Ryan Hancock with 14. Hancock has made the most Whyalla Gift finals (4) and has the equal highest number of Loxton Gift finals (5). With his 3 Mt Gambier Gift finals and 2 Bay Sheffield finals, he is the only athlete to have made all four finals multiple times each.

The second highest is Duncan Tippins with 10. Interestingly Hancock & Tippins made 24 major SA gift finals between them but haven't won one. Tippins of course has a couple of decent interstate Gifts to his name - the Bendigo Thousand and Burnie. Hancock is still to win a major Gift, but has won two Marion Gifts, a PreBay Gift  and a Glenelg Gift.

Overall seven athletes have made all four finals. Ryan Hancock (14 finals overall), Andrew Steele (9), Clay Watkins (8.), Todd Bateman (5), James Cibich (5), Damian Tohl (5) and Russell Scott (4). The most recent addition is James Cibich who made all four finals in 2011/2012.

Russell Scott has the unusual record of making each final only once. The other six all have a multiple of at least one of the Gifts.

Hancock's other unique record is that he is the only athlete to make all four finals in the one season - twice. (2006/2007 & 2008/2009)

Although Ryan Hancock has made the most finals by a long way - he does not have the most podium finishes. Andrew Steele has finished top 3 on six occasions to Hancock's five.

Steele's six top 3 spots include two wins - Mt Gambier & the Bay Sheffield.

Keith Sheehy has the most major Gift sashes with 3 - a Bay Sheffield and 2 Mt Gambier Gifts.
Others with multiple majors are Jordan Caldow, Brad Letton, Wallace Long-Scafidi, Andrew Steele and Clay Watkins - all with two each.

Sheehy went very close to winning a fourth major when he was a close 2nd in the 2007 Loxton Gift to Steve Landers.

Mainly because Whyalla came in around half way, a number of athletes have missed out making all four major  finals, but have made finals in each of the other three. Whyalla is the missing link.
These are Duncan Tippins (10 overall), Keith Sheehy (8.), Leon Burckhardt (8.), Robbie James (7), Shane McKenzie (7), Brad Letton (6), William Bowie (4) & Damian Byrne (4).

Ben Koschade (4 finals) is the only athlete in the top 20 to have finished on the podium in every final he has made. There are others to have been top 3 in all of their final appearances (1, 2 or 3) but Koschade is the only one in the' 4 or more' bracket to have made the dais every time.

The most number of major Gift finals by an interstate athlete is Matt Callard who has made four finals for 3 times on the dais and 1 win - Mt Gambier in 2002. (Keith Sheehy & Shane McKenzie are SA athletes for the sake of this exercise).

Those with 4 or more major SA Gift final appearances from 2001 to 2012:

Ryan Hancock 14
Duncan Tippins 10
Andrew Steele 9
Keith Sheehy 8
Clay Watkins 8
Leon Burckhardt 7
Robbie James 7
David Gross 7
Shane McKenzie 7
Jarrad Dartnall 6
Brad Letton 6
Todd Bateman 5
James Cibich 5
Damien Tohl 5
Dylan Hicks 5
Ben Koschade 4
Matthew Callard 4
William Bowie 4
Damien Byrne 4
Tim Johnson 4
Alex Saliu 4
Russell Scott 4


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Mr Young, out of the 236 Finalists, how many have you had? I would assume the number would be large! Results represent success and coaching ability I would have thought.

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Interesting that not many of the athletes have achieved their efforts under the one coach for one reason or the other.

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The top 2 Hancock and Tippins had to change coaches, had no choice. Their first coach retired. Can't remember tippins first coach name but he retired and tippins went to YGTS. Hancock senior retired so Ryan went to Harro.

Change of coach distorts numbers. Wood be good if there was figures per stable.

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Richard Manthey coached Duncan Tippins (Amanda Viney and Andrew Camelleri too if my fading memory serves me correct)
Ryan Hancock was coached by his father Gary Hancock.
Both coaches operated out of Flinders


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The Morphy Mongrel wrote:Change of coach distorts numbers. Wood be good if there was figures per stable.


I have those stats; see below.

The top 17 stables/trainers are listed - those with 4 or more finalists.

The top 17 account for 188 of the 236 finalists. (80%)

They also account for 98 of the 119 placegetters. (82%)

And betwen them they have provided 32 of the 39 major gift winners. (82%)

There have been 48 different squads/coaches represented in the 39 finals since 2001.

31 trainers account for the other 48 finalists. 21 of them have had one finalist.

The only coach of a multiple major winner not on the list is Pete Burdett, who has had two finalists for two wins with Jordan Caldow winning the last two Bay Sheffields.

In answer to Superman's question - YGTS has had 20% of the finalists, 20% of the place getters and 20% (8.) of the winners of SA's major Gifts since 2001. YGTS has had finalists in 31 of the 39 major finals, including finalists in the last 8 Bay Sheffields. YGTS is the only stable to have winners in all four major Gifts. Just for the record, YGTS has provided about 8% of the Gift entrants over the last 11 years.

Gary Hancock has been retired for three seasons but still remains at number 2 on the list. Of the 22 finalists, Ryan Hancock (9) Andrew Steele (6) and Wil Bowie (4) account for 19 of them with Russell Scott (2) and Tyson Hancock (1) providing the remaining 3.

Steve Butler at number 3 on the list has had 9 different finalists in his total of 18. He is equal 2nd for wins (4) with Stan Miller. (Stan Miller has actually had 5 but one of those - Brad Jamieson was before 2001).

The leading interstate stable is John Henry's with 8 finalists, 6 placegetters and two wins (2002 & 2009 Mt Gambier Gifts).

Matt Barber has coached 3 Bay Sheffield winners - Dean Capobianco (1990), Rod Buchanan (1997) and Andrew McManus (1999) - but these were all before 2001. His figures below represent the 5 Bay Sheffield finalists he's produced since 2001.


Major SA Gift Finalists & Placegetters from 2001 to 2012.
All stables/trainers with 4 or more finalists.


Trainer/Stable Total Finalists TOP 3
YGTS
47
24
Hancock, G (Flinders)
22
11
McKinnon Pde
18
7
Tohl, A (Flinders)
17
9
Miller, S (Port Adelaide)
11
8
Camden
11
6
Henry, J (VIC)
8
6
Tammo, B (TMS)
8
5
Fairweather, T (NSW)
7
5
Harrison, A (TMS)
7
3
Reynella
6
2
Barber, M (WA)
5
3
Bisinella, G (VIC)
5
2
Brimacombe, S (VIC)
4
2
Golden, B (Sacred Heart)
4
2
Schreier, T (Flinders)
4
2
Hildyard, L (Coastal)
4
1
188
98


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I realize Youngy has focused on 120's but I think Camden rounds out the SAAL program with the "5th" major despite it being over 400. I reckon it could be tenuously included because a reasonable proportion of the 120 runners in SA will step up to 400 for this carnival.

I wonder what the numbers would look like if Camden was included???

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No worries Dunc. In my view the Camden Classic is in the top 4 major open feature events on the SAAL calendar.

Below are the stats for the Camden Classic Finals 2001 to 2012 for individual coaches. (McKinnon Pde has produced 12 finalists between 3 coaches).

91 Finalists - 5 years of 7 finalists & 7 years of 8 finalists.

Note prior to 2001, Camden produced about 40 finalists from 1980 to 2001. Their longest sequence of successive finals was 9. YGTS had finalists in 10 consecutive years from 2001 to 2010.

John Henry is the top interstate coach, however 3 of the finalists (prior to 2006) were when John Henry and Terry McGarity were a combined squad. I doubt too many would have predicted that in the last 12 years, JH would have produced more finalists than Camden.

COACH TOTAL
P YOUNG 22
J HENRY (V) 8
S BUTLER 8
A TOHL 6
F MCHUGH 5
B GOLDEN 4
R MANTHEY * 4
B NEIL * 4
D TONKIN * 3
M BUCKLER 3
G THOMPSON 2
D PALMER (S/T) 2
J LERAY 2
M HIPWORTH (V) 2
S MILLER 2
T HOLLAND * 2
B STEVENS 2
S LAWSON (V) 1
M HOWARD (V) 1
A POUNSETT * 1
K PATCHING * 1
P BRENNAN * 1
M ARNOLD (V) 1
M HANE 1
R WILSON 1
A SALIU 1
R BEDNALL * 1

# Denoted no longer coaching in the SAAL.


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Figures updated to Whyalla 2013.

Interestingly Anthony Tohl's 3 Whyalla Gift finalists last month put him into 2nd position overall of current coaches.

These are the stats for Whyalla, Bay Sheffield, Loxton & Mt Gambier for the period 2000/2001 to Whyalla 2013.

After running 3rd at Whyalla Ryan Hancock has now made 15 finals for 6 visits to the podium.

Top 10 current coaches who have had finalists in SA's major Gifts since 2001.
RankNameFinalistsPlacegettersWins
1P Young48248
2A Tohl22104
3S Butler1974
4B Tammo1483
5F McHugh1362
6S Miller1184
7A Harrison951
8J Henry (Vic)862
9T Fairweather (NSW)751
10G Thompson720
Gary Hancock retired with 22 finalists for 11 placegetters and 3 wins.

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