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Henley Gift Meet - 11th November 2011 RESULTS & VIDEOS

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2011 Henley Gift Meeting
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Friday 11th November 2011


120m Gift
Heat 1
1st Luke Buchanan (13.25)
2nd James Cibich (7.00)
3rd Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera (8.00)
Time: 12.73

Heat 2
1st Wallace Long-Scafidi (5.50)
2nd Alex Saliu (6.75)
3rd Paul Taylor (11.75)
Time: 12.86

Heat 3
1st Dale Woodhams (5.25)
2nd Lyall Weir (8.00)
3rd David Gross (10.00)
Time: 12.94

Heat 4
1st Jarrad Dartnall (8.00)
2nd Kane Russell (7.00)
3rd Lachlan Sheffield (9.00)
Time: 13.00

Heat 5
1st Shane Grimwade (15.75)
2nd David Palmer (11.50)
3rd Ryan Hancock (9.25)
4th Robbie James (4.00)
Time: 12.73

Heat 6
1st Ben Hardy (11.00)
2nd Troy Welfare (9.25)
3rd Daniel Sheehy (8.75)
Time: 13.15

Semi Final 1
1st Luke Buchanan (13.25)
2nd Lyall Weir (8.00)
3rd David Palmer (11.50)
Time: 12.73

Semi Final 2
1st Ryan Hancock (9.25)
2nd Wallace Long-Scafidi (5.50)
3rd Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera (8.00)
Time: 12.82

Semi Final 3
1st Dale Woodhams (5.25)
2nd Paul Taylor (11.75)
3rd Jarrad Dartnall (8.00)
Time: 12.94

120m Gift FINAL
1st Luke Buchanan (13.25)
2nd Ryan Hancock (9.25)
3rd Paul Taylor (11.75)
4th Dake Woodhams (5.25)
5th Lyall Weir (8.00)
6th Wallace Long-Scafidi (5.50)
Time: 12.64


Women's 120m
Heat 1
1st Andrea DiPaolo (6.75)
2nd Amie Mittiga (7.50)
3rd Ellie Meich (10.00)
Time: 14.54

Heat 2
1st Lesley Tompson (14.50)
2nd Ali Trewartha (11.75)
3rd Emma Freer (6.25)
Time: 14.74

Heat 3
1st Kyla Brown (11.50)
2nd Margaret Cusenza (10.50)
3rd Lisa Berrington (10.00)
Time: 15.24

Heat 4
1st Billie Ninham-Smith (8.50)
2nd Madeline Nicholson (9.00)
Time: 15.66

Heat 5
1st Katherine Robb (7.50)
2nd Lauren Edwards (9.00)
3rd Taylah Scapens (9.50)
Time: 14.60

Semi Final 1
1st Andrea DiPaolo (6.75)
2nd Lauren Edwards (9.00)
3rd Lesley Tompson (14.50)
Time: 14.49

Semi Final 2
1st Kathryn Robb (7.50)
2nd Ali Trewartha (11.75)
3rd Amie Mittiga (7.50)
Time: 14.58

120m Women's FINAL
1st Andrea DiPaolo (6.75)
2nd Lauren Edwards (9.00)
3rd Kathryn Robb (7.50)
4th Ali Trewartha (11.75)
5th Lesley Tompson (14.50)
6th Amie Mittiga (7.50)
Time: 14.7 (Hand timed)


120m Over 35's FINAL
1st Ross Hill-Brown (19.50)
2nd David Palmer (4.00)
3rd David Wilczek (8.50)
4th Ross Nitschke (6.25)
5th Robert Samarcq (13.00)
6th David Miller (8.50)
7th Sue Turner (25.00)
8th Michael Cassidy (25.00)
Time: 13.64


300m Open FINAL
1st Jarrad Dartnall (25)
2nd Matthew Cousins (27)
3rd Adrian Harris (20)
4th David Girolamo (33)
5th Jake Stangewitz (20)
6th Wallace Long-Scafidi (16)
7th Amin Chehade (29)
8th Nick Berry (22)
Time: 34.73


300m Women
1st Lauren Buchanan (36)
2nd Ali Trewartha (22)
3rd Bridgid Conolly (16)
4th Teagan Kustermann (22)
5th Andrea DiPaolo (17)
6th Eleni Glouftsis (32)
7th Kathryn Robb (14)
8th Demi Axford (28)
Time: 38.34


300m Under 20's
1st Tjimarri Sanderson-Milera (22)
2nd Ellie Meich (55)
3rd Kane Russell (12)
4th Lachlan Sheffield (28)
5th Connor McIvor (28)
6th Sam Osmond (14)
7th Riordan Welsh (28)
8th Riley Bonner (30)
Time: 34.93


300m Over 45's
1st Sue Turner (66)
2nd Ross Hill-Brown (46)
3rd John Turner (44)
4th Mick Abbot (46)
5th Brian Witty (70)
6th Cheryl Zeuner (86)
7th Chris Dimitrak (43)
8th Robert Samarcq (30)
Time: 36.08


800m OPEN
1st Gregor Dingwall (130)
2nd Ashley Brown (66)
3rd Brad Jones (110)
4th Max Stevens (50)
5th Mark Beveridge (82)
6th Michael Nitschke (54)
Time: 1-53.12


800m Women
1st Teagan Kustermann (50)
2nd Demi Axford (70)
3rd Tasmin McMahon (60)
4th Lauren McHugh (90)
5th Sarah Newstead (114)
6th Bridgid Connolly (35)
Time: 2-13.6


800m Novice
1st Tim Earle (58)
2nd Connor McIvor (70)
3rd Core Watkins (80)
4th Luke Stewart (135)
5th Dane Fenton (40)
6th Steven Evanson (74)
Time: 1-53.67


800m Under 14's
1st: Gemma Plummer (70)
2nd Minnie Turner (70)
3rd Alex Martini (40)
4th Hunter Rubino (40)
5th Cooper McRae (40)
Time: 2-13.97


800m Over 35's
1st Chris Dimitrak (95)
2nd Mark Beveridge (0.00)
3rd: Cheryl Zeuner (200)
Time: 2-08.46











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Women's 120m Heats



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Women's 120m FINAL

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120m Over 35's FINAL



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Some big scratchings was it a quality night? Are we getting the usual run down youngy?

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Heated conservation between thol, the handicapper and chief steward last night lasted a good 30 mins

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BANG Right on the money DUFFMAN
If you watch the running of the 300m heats the handicapper isnt even watching the running of heats 1 and 3 but is more interested in his conversation with Tohl.
Whats more interesting is that they both show an interest in a lack lustre HEAT 2 with only 3 runners.
Perhaps the argument was over a runner in that heat, who jogged the final of the gift.
Great camera work.

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I think the handicapper would be saying that he shouldn't be losing 5m from heat to final. The athlete can't argue with that and nor can the coach!

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Is that the handicapper you can see also filming the races on the finishing line in the heats 3 onwards and semis.
If it is he will have some interesting movies to watch during the week.Perhaps there needs to be a little bit of filming at the other end as well !

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Looking at the results and performances from Friday night who has the potential to take out whyalla this coming weekend?

12 Peace And Love - We Are The Media Now on Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:23 pm

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Peace and Love

We have a wonderful dynamic thing here on ProTrack where we can access high quality info and photos and videos just a few hours after the events happen.

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The ProTrack SAAL 2011 experience, brought to you free to web by Paul Young and associates including Inclose and me and Rusty and Gossip Girl and over35er and many many more.

I know that Paul has had to deal with some awful rubbish from anonymous posts at times, but he has put it out there and empowered a lot of people to have their say and to keep informed and have fun.


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Does anyone know how the handicapping system in SA operates? How many runs, without making heats or making semis or making finals without success leads to increase in marks? How quickly can athletes move out in one instance? How does the handicapper judge the lifts?

I just noticed that Woodhams moved from 5.0m --> 5.25m (0.25m lift) from port to henley in the 120m open (finishing 4th in Port Semi). However, say james cibich who finish 4th in the other semi, kept his same mark, or infact all the athletes who made up the field for the semis in port kept their mark for Henley. This same example can be used with the athletes who finish last in the Port 120m semis, one got a lift of 0.25m, and the other who finished last in the other semi kept his same mark?

I hope someone has a fair idea on how the handicap lifting system from meet to meet works, and can shed light on this?

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Generally the handicaps and lifts are equally spread across the field. ATM I think part of the problem is our handicapper Leon is doin every single race week to week. The work Leon does and the tight races we have had so far have been a good idication he is doing a good job.. The main thing is to keep running and show Leon how your going. People are starting to expect lifts after every race n that's not how it works

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handicap wrote:
Does anyone know how the handicapping system in SA operates? How many runs, without making heats or making semis or making finals without success leads to increase in marks? How quickly can athletes move out in one instance? How does the handicapper judge the lifts?

I just noticed that Woodhams moved from 5.0m --> 5.25m (0.25m lift) from port to henley in the 120m open (finishing 4th in Port Semi). However, say james cibich who finish 4th in the other semi, kept his same mark, or infact all the athletes who made up the field for the semis in port kept their mark for Henley. This same example can be used with the athletes who finish last in the Port 120m semis, one got a lift of 0.25m, and the other who finished last in the other semi kept his same mark?

I hope someone has a fair idea on how the handicap lifting system from meet to meet works, and can shed light on this?


Handicap, you shouldn't just pick out one person. People gets lifts and know one says anything, but the moment a YGTS athlete gets a lift, shit hits the fan. I Had 5m back at Pre Bay last season and I am now on 5.25m. I hardly made a semi final last season. there have been others that you haven't mentioned. Jake Stangewitz was on 8m at Pre Bay last season and for Henley he was on 8.75m . So a much bigger lift, yet nothing gets mentioned because his run wasn't worth mentioning. Just something to think about. Marks are adjusted in SA over a variety of meets, not just from one to the other. The reason Cibich probably hasn't moved is because he was in good form towards the back end of last season and won a race here and there.

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So does a less talented athlete deserve the same percentage of lift?

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Of course not, but Jake Stangewitz has moved a lot further up than others around him. He is a better athlete than the people that are in front of him, yet they haven't moved as much. Its pro running, people get lifts and others don't. I say get over it and train harder.

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handicap wrote:Does anyone know how the handicapping system in SA operates? How many runs, without making heats or making semis or making finals without success leads to increase in marks? How quickly can athletes move out in one instance? How does the handicapper judge the lifts?

I just noticed that Woodhams moved from 5.0m --> 5.25m (0.25m lift) from port to henley in the 120m open (finishing 4th in Port Semi). However, say james cibich who finish 4th in the other semi, kept his same mark, or infact all the athletes who made up the field for the semis in port kept their mark for Henley. This same example can be used with the athletes who finish last in the Port 120m semis, one got a lift of 0.25m, and the other who finished last in the other semi kept his same mark?

I hope someone has a fair idea on how the handicap lifting system from meet to meet works, and can shed light on this?


Just for the record, this will be the last time an anonymous guest can raise issues about a named athlete's handicap.

Unless you are willing to be scrutinised about your own handicap movements and be prepared to put your real name to the post, then I think you should cease commenting.

I can assure you for every YGTS lift I could point out 10 athletes with a similiar profile in other squads who have received similar or better lifts.

It's a nonsense argument that leads nowhere.

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Over one meet yes. But over the period of a season the athletes whohavent been competitive will get more lifts. No athlete should receive one metre lifts in straight sprints at a time because if that athlete then smashes the field everyone has a go at the handicapper.

Definately agree with woody people need to train harder n stop worrying about their mark but about improving on their running.

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Im sure most of you are aware that this is Alex Saliu speaking.

I think that in addition to Woodhams receiving a lift while most other gift runners, some who are less competitive than Woodhams, remain un-lifted, the following could be some reasons behind why he is being targeted:
In 2009 we all remember Dale placed 2nd in the Stawell gift, and then won the 70m resulting in an obvious pull.
In the following season he already received a lift by mt gambier, was lifted 0.5m for the 2010 baysheff instead of the standard 0.25 most others received, and has now received a 2nd lift in the beginning of this season.
Might I use myself as a comparison.. I was pulled after a 2nd in the 2009 mt gambier gift and 4th in that years baysheff (in which Woodhams placed 3rd). I have since at best made the semi finals of a gift and have not been lifted at all. Keep in mind this happened months earlier that the 2009 stawell gift..

I agree that an in the recent circumstances one athlete should not be lifted while everyone else remains the same (please correct me if someone else has gotten a lift). However I also agree that for Leon to review every runner, from every race, every single meet, is virtually impossible. But after Woodhams' grand success in the recent years, I ask why he would be granted the attention by the handicapper when many more less successful athletes are being looked past? Shouldn’t those athletes be considered first?

What is the difference between me and Woodhams?

But anyway, it’s not Dales fault that he got a lift. I think there might be some equity issues that need to be addressed to make sure that the athletes love for this sport isn’t damaged because the system isn’t fair..

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Horse wrote:Im sure most of you are aware that this is Alex Saliu speaking.

I think that in addition to Woodhams receiving a lift while most other gift runners, some who are less competitive than Woodhams, remain un-lifted, the following could be some reasons behind why he is being targeted:
In 2009 we all remember Dale placed 2nd in the Stawell gift, and then won the 70m resulting in an obvious pull.
In the following season he already received a lift by mt gambier, was lifted 0.5m for the 2010 baysheff instead of the standard 0.25 most others received, and has now received a 2nd lift in the beginning of this season.
Might I use myself as a comparison.. I was pulled after a 2nd in the 2009 mt gambier gift and 4th in that years baysheff (in which Woodhams placed 3rd). I have since at best made the semi finals of a gift and have not been lifted at all. Keep in mind this happened months earlier that the 2009 stawell gift..

I agree that an in the recent circumstances one athlete should not be lifted while everyone else remains the same (please correct me if someone else has gotten a lift). However I also agree that for Leon to review every runner, from every race, every single meet, is virtually impossible. But after Woodhams' grand success in the recent years, I ask why he would be granted the attention by the handicapper when many more less successful athletes are being looked past? Shouldn’t those athletes be considered first?

What is the difference between me and Woodhams?

But anyway, it’s not Dales fault that he got a lift. I think there might be some equity issues that need to be addressed to make sure that the athletes love for this sport isn’t damaged because the system isn’t fair..


Alex dont forget you have been one of the favorite's almost 2 years in a row down the bay i think? and failed to deliver, The handicapper seeing this, as majority of the money was from family and stable members, may think you dont need a lift and must earn one.

I know i have watched you carefully this year and to me your right in it, the 300m you ran the other night showed as a little bit and you only wanted to run in the 50m to make the finish tight. You seem to be a lot further back then normal which is not like you at all. Have a crack a whyalla if your going im sure you'll be right in it.

Complaining about marks etc... isnt anything new, you know you can always appeal your mark?

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Alrighty, time to put the Riddlers twist on things here and make my honest opinion.

Now unless your name is Robbie James, Jordan Caldow or Todd Bateman, you have no right to be complaining about Woodhams' lift, cause hes giving the rest of you a start. Since his 2nd at Stawell, which keeping in mind was off 7.25m, hes struggled to make semi's, never mind finals. All of a sudden he scrapes into the Henley final and now everyone is jumping up and down, you guys need to relax. Remember, hes off of 5.25m, hardly a big mark.

Mr Saliu, off all people who can compare their mark to Woodhams', your the last one to start complaining. Now taking a little trip back in time here, You ran 2nd at both Mt Gambier and WHYALLA mate, both off 7.50m, and kept that same mark for the bay that year which you ran 4th. So keeping in mind the money you won, goin back to 6.75m is fair.

Also, the Bay Sheffield was yours for the taking that year, I know it, you know it, and all of your family and friends who smashed you at the bookies knew it aswell, so dont go telling us that your being hard done by. I know for a FACT that you said, in rough terms, 'I didnt want to win Mt Gambier or Whyalla' that year. Not lying there, honest fact mate, gotta be careful at what you say or it might come back to bite ya buddy. Now after Whyalla and Mt Gambier, you lost all respect from me and the majority of the Athletic community when you walked down the track at Glenelg, it was an ambsolute embarrassment, what can only be described as a way to increase your odds. Tom Burbidge was fined and lucky not to be disqualified for doing similar at Stawell a couple of years ago!! Keep that in mind.

Now your complaining that you havent received a lift since that, albeit there is a new handicapper now. How can a handicapper possibly give you a lift when your on 6.75m and dont look like half the person you were 2 years ago? Your .75m back from that mark, how about improve that extra bit instead of trying to get help from the handicapper. This argument is exactly what is wrong with our sport, runners who fail to recapture previous form or a struggling simply want the handicapper to help them out and give them a lift, its pathetic. Leon obviously has a theory, if your running flat out at each meet or look like your paying some sort of interest, he will reward you. If he has no idea where your at because your playing cat and mouse, then your not going to move, quite simple if you ask me.

It seems as this attack on Woodhams' is simply because, and I hate to say it, is because of what club he runs with. I'll compare Woodhams to Caldow. Woodhams off 7.25m, 2nd at stawell, wins the 70m which means nothing, worth less than a grand I think, goes back to 4.75m. Loses 2.5m. Caldow, 6.75m, Wins bay, comes back to 3.75m, seems fair, wins backmarkers at stawell worth $5000, stays at 3.75m. No one complaining about that, sometimes the ball just bounces your way. The handicapper is always goin to slightly favour the backmarkers simply because there is only so far you can pull them back, a race with all frontmarkers is boring and embarrassing. Going back to Saliu, he has a mark he can win off of, if he brings his 12.1 form from 2 years ago, he can pick any race he wants.

just my opinion guys, something to think about, looking forward to Whyalla, train hard and you will be rewarded. Good Luck,

Riddler!!

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The Riddler has SPOKEN! good work mate !! Thats exactly my point Alex comes on here and plays the victim,. As i look at it he plays the victim of his own crime. Leon is a very smart man and by the looks of things you must run and try each and earn your lift. Obviously age is a factor is some lifts, Teflon Tim etc... and they can warrant lifts but when your a young lad improvement should be yearly.

Maybe alex can name his coach and how he trains him?

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Riddler I'm afraid you shot yourself in the foot with that comment "athletes want lifts when they are struggling to recapture past form and want the handicapper to help out" I think that's exactly what alex was getting at. Woodhams was struggling for form and got a quarter meter lift whereas alex has not been anywhere near his best since the bay 2 years ago and has received nothing.
The rest I think was a bit of a personal attack which seems unwarranted as he was only trying to use facts to prove a point.
I agree with what your saying that complaint about your handicap won't get you anywhere!!
DONT GET BITTER GET BETTER
Woody I understand what your trying to say although you were slightly hypocritical about not liking being singled out then singling out another athlete.
Everyone Leon has a tough job and if everytime we lose a race we expect a lift then we are very disillusioned. Just my 2 cents

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Wow, I didn’t expect a smashing, especially from those who do not have the confidence to name themselves.

I didn’t post for the purpose of “playing victum” mate. I am well aware that seeking sympathy isn’t going to increase my chances of getting a lift ..
I was writing on behalf of everyone who has not gotten a look in while others have.. I can most easily compare myself because I have all the facts about myself, obviously.

Anyway, Id firstly like to remind you that I was not at all considered a favourite at the bay last year…

Riddler, Robbie won Burnie last year, caldow won the bay and the gift winners gift at Stawell (pocketing another $5000), and bateman has also won the bay, although many years ago, he runs nationals etc, recording times preventing him from being lifted..
I accept the pull I received from the placings and prize money I won in 2009. But you can infer the difference in success and total prize money between Woodhams and I that I mentioned, and the matter of months that my achievements preceded his.
You’re right, I didn’t deliver in the bay that year. Thanks for reminding me…
Who are you to say I said I didn’t want to win those races!?
Anyone who actually knows me understands that my “walk down” at Glenelg was the most disappointing moment of my running career and had me doubtful that I could achieve my desire of winning the bay, being unable to even make the final! Ask Gary Thompson my coach at the time.
There was a change of handicapper after 2009 which Woodhams has since received two lifts as I said. Doesn’t change my comments…
You’re right again that I don’t look half the runner I was at bay 2009, I have done everything I can to get back to running that well. From memory I finished about last in my semi final at the bay last year, and was devastated. Woodhams similarly wasn’t running to his potential after that year and do I need to say it again, 2 lifts… (as rookie said)
If you look at my history, I’ve always looked like Im not trying! That’s just the way I happen to look when Im running. So dont accuse me of not looking interested or you're saying I havent really looked interested for the past 7 years.

Once again, Im not attacking Woodhams personally, He is just a name in my argument. Not that I have a name for the Riddler?

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Saliu and woodhams have both done the same amount of eff all since woodhams won the 70m at stawell.
Both struggled to make semis and to my knowledge neither have made a 120m
Final.
Your points do seem to be a direct attack at Saliu who seems genuinely confused. His points are valid.
Why woodhams and not Saliu when there results have been similair.
Also. What your saying is, if alex was in better form and showing somethin to leon and making finals he might get rewarded with a lift? So then why did woodhams? Such contradicting statements.
Not sure why u bothered writing the comparison of woodhams and caldow? Irrelevant points. He didn't get pulled
For stawell winners gifts because they were adjusted handicaps to make a Good spectical for the crowd. Why punish someone for that?


It seems like you lost a little money on him at the bay.

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We appreciate Alex for having the courage to contribute some thought provoking posts about his situation. Makes for an interesting debate.

My take on the issue -

Alex is missing two vital points in his argument.

The first - He is still only 20 and therefore comes under the SAAL 'Under 21' rule about athletes being adjusted at any time if they demonstrate significant improvement.

The rationale for the rule is that athletes under the age of 21 have scope for improvement far greater than an athlete in his mid 20's or older. Therefore there needs to be an element of caution when handicapping young athletes with the potential for rapid improvement.

Dale Woodhams is 24 and his best form (Stawell 2010) is well & truly exposed - the potential for improvement is limited compared to a 20 year old.

The second point and more importantly - the '18 year old version of Alex Saliu' would beat the '20 year old version of Alex Saliu' by 5m. That is not the handicapper's fault.

What the handicapper wants is for '20 year old Alex' to get back to '18 year old Alex' form; AND - then show the natural improvement one would expect of the 20 year old version, before he can make an assessment of what mark he needs.

And in my considered opinion based on 30 years in the caper IF Dale Woodhams & Alex Saliu were in the same squad, doing similar training, Dale (off 5.25m) would not see Alex's (off 6.75m) backside for dust.

In other words, If both athletes were in best possible shape, the task of getting Alex to win a major Gift off 6.75m would be a lot easier than getting Dale to win one off 5.25m.

No handicapper in the land would take the risk of lifting a 20 year old athlete with the potential of Saliu, until he saw him at his best - and Alex is a long way from his best.




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So Alex, tell me why Glenelg was the most dissapointing moment of your career?? I would love to hear it, honestly. I wont tell you who I heard the information from regarding you and your uns at Whyalla and Mt Gambier, but its no lie, and dont try and convince the readers otherise. And you were the clear favourite for the bay that year.

Honestly, I can't take anything that you say seriously Alex, anything you say about how your travelling, how much more of a mark you need, etc.

And yes, you may look relaxed when your running, but anyone who saw the bay and the races where your showing interest, your flying, its a sight to see. But when you put in ordinary efforts that we have seen recently, its disappointing. Off your mark you should be right up there. If your not running aswell as you think you should, I suggest a change of coach or training.



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Way I see it, Alex Saliu has a choice to make. Does he stay where he is, where 6.75 is apparently not enough or does he go somewhere else where 6.75 would be more than enough? There's a few coaches around who would love to have A Saliu in the squad running off 6.75!

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Riddler stop ranting and attacking the kid and take a deep breath and read what he actually has written.
He wasn't complaining about his handicap he was saying nothing about losing the bay because of his handicap he was simply asking the question why Wolfgang has received a lift and he has not and I think youngy had a perfectly reasonable answer for that.
Maybe c.Judd is right and you lost some money on him at the bay??

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